Monday, December 22, 2008

Fort Dix Convictions: Islamic Leaders Play Victim Card


Shortly after the convictions of five NJ Muslim men plotting to kill US soldiers, several Islamic leaders have come out against the verdict. The list includes James Yee, the former Muslim chaplain at Guantanamo Bay. He has claimed that they never would of killed anyone and that they were incited by a government informant. In the past Yee was charged with spying for the enemy and treason. Those charges were later dropped.

CAIR spokesperson Jim Sues has said that many Muslims would see this as entrapment and American Muslim Union of Jersey has stated that the defendants do not look like people who would plot an attack like this. According to many Muslims those in their community could never do anything wrong.


Many Muslims skeptical of Fort Dix verdicts
By WAYNE PARRY
December 22, 2008


Yes, they talked tough, fired guns and watched jihadist videos.

But the five young Muslims convicted Monday of plotting to kill soldiers at Fort Dix may not have been guilty of anything more than youthful braggadocio and poor judgment.

That was the verdict rendered by Muslim leaders immediately after the guilty verdicts were read in U.S. District Court in Camden.

"It seemed to me as if the case was pretty flimsy," said James Yee, the former Muslim chaplain at the Guantanamo Bay military prison in Cuba who was arrested in 2003 and charged with mishandling classified material and other crimes in a suspected espionage ring. Criminal charges were later dropped against him.

"It seems like these guys under normal circumstances weren't going to do anything until a government informant initiates contact with them and incites them," said Yee.

"All of this doesn't help build trust with the American Muslim community, and that is vital if our law enforcement is going to fight terrorism," he said. "If anyone can improve security, it's our community, but we need to be seen as trusted partners, not potential suspects."


Mohamed Younes, president of the Paterson, N.J.-based American Muslin Union, voiced similar sentiments.

"I don't think they actually mean to do anything," he said. "I think they were acting stupid, like they thought the whole thing was a joke. They don't look like the type of people to do something like this."

Jim Sues, executive director of the New Jersey chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, attended five days of testimony during the trial.

"Many people in the Muslim community will see this as a case of entrapment," he said. "From what I saw, there was a significant role played by the government informant."

During the eight-week trial, the government relied heavily on information gathered by the informants, who infiltrated the group and secretly recorded hundreds of conversations.

Convicted were: Jordanian-born cab driver Mohamad Shnewer; Turkish-born convenience store clerk Serdar Tatar; and brothers Dritan, Eljvir and Shain Duka, ethnic Albanians from the former Yugoslavia, who had a roofing business.

A sixth man arrested and charged only with gun offenses pleaded guilty earlier.

Fuat "Mike" Mamo of Cresskill said the Albanian community in New Jersey is ashamed of the three Albanian brothers who were convicted.

"I don't know what they were thinking," Mamo said of the Duka brothers. "They were just out of their mind and they should be put away for life. The Albanian community is nothing like this.


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58 comments:

Anonymous said...

Entrapment!! I don't think they actually mean to do anything," he said. "I think they were acting stupid, like they thought the whole thing was a joke. They don't look like the type of people to do something like this."
You have got to be kidding me. I guess it was a joke when they were buying machine guns.
If the Muslims want to be trusted partners they need to earn some trust by taking the lead in condemning and finding **** rather than being the first to scream prejudice every time one of them is caught.

Anonymous said...

The men involved in this plot ceased to be Muslims the day they considered using violence to address their grievances.

Samir

Anonymous said...

Samir, I welcome your statement, but frankly, it is not based on much fact. It is neither backed up by words in the Koran nor acts made in the name of Islam today or 1500 years ago.

Mike said...

Samir is either a liar or ignorant to his own religion. Mohammad was a terrorist himself. History easily proves Samir is wrong.

Anonymous said...

Incorrect.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be unto Him) was, like Jesus Christ, a soldier who fought for defensive reasons, and then only for just causes.

Muhammad (pbuH) would not condone terrorist actions that many Christians support, like killing civilians vis a vis aerial bombardment, etc.

He was a very exclusive and righteous man; all Muslims and Christians must live up to His teachings.

Christopher Logan said...

Mohammad was a terrorist. From the Islamic scriptures.

http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2008/05/mo-who-were-you-terrorist-thats-who.html

When you have something more than your opinion let me know. Christians do not have to live up to his terroristic teachings. You might want to learn to keep your religion to yourself.

Christopher Logan said...

"Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step." -- Sir Winston Churchill - circa 1899

Donovan said...

Samir:

Muhammad was never anything like Jesus. Jesus is only recorded having been violent ONCE in the bible when he drove the merchants out of the temple using a whip made of cords - the temple is a place that should've been kept sacred and holy and they didn't.

Jesus never waged war and never took up a sword or even a stone. He never attacked any caravans or had sex with "those whom his right hand possessed" (read: slave girls). He never even had one wife, let alone 12 SIMULTANEOUS wives (doesn't the Quran say a muslim male is only allowed 4?). He never married a six year old girl when he was in his 50s or consummate the marriage with the same when she was 9.

To compare Jesus to Muhammad is a gross insult to Jesus and shows a total and complete ignorance of who Jesus is.

Anonymous said...

Defensive war under Islam means accept Islam or else. Samir people are wise to your religion.

Jewish Odysseus said...

Nice to see Tokyo James Yee hasn't stopped providing aid to the Enemy--just last year, look what MEMRI recorded from Syrian TV:

Following are excerpts from an interview with former Guantanamo army chaplain James Yee, which aired on Syrian TV on October 19, 2007.

Interviewer: How was religion being used against those prisoners [in Guantanamo Bay]?

Yee: Great question. One, we've all heard how the Koran has been desecrated down in Guantanamo and as Koran, the holy Koran - the words which Muslims all over the world consider the literal words of God – was being desecrated in Guantanamo in many different ways.

Interviewer: It was thrown into toilets and whatever, that's what we read.

Yee: The initial report that was printed by Newsweek indicated that perhaps the Koran was thrown into a toilet by an interrogator. It was unfortunate, that Newsweek had to retract that story, but I talked firsthand with prisoners who were held in Camp X-Ray, which was the first prison camp of Guantanamo, very early on in 2002, and prisoners told me directly that the Korans that they had brought with them were tossed into buckets - buckets which were used as toilets in that makeshift camp. I myself…

Interviewer: So… Buckets basically of urine and feces, is that correct?

Yee: Right, right, exactly. This was before I got there and this was in Camp X-Ray, where, again, it was a quick makeshift prison, set up for the first prisoners who arrived there. When I got there, Camp Delta, which was a little more sturdy and each cell had its own toilet, was already built by the time I got to Guantanamo in late 2002. The Korans were thrown on the floor by guards when they conducted cell searches. It has been reported and I have learned now that interrogators also were throwing the Korans on the floor or stomping on it. This was happening when I was there, and this was an issue.

Interviewer: You actually saw this happening?

Yee: I didn't see it because I wasn't a part of the intelligence operation, but I was aware directly from the prisoners, when they came to me with the complaints and concerns. It became such an issue that prisoners carried out massive protests. Some of them even attempted suicide in response to how awful the Koran was being abused. So this is something that was occurring, was addressed officially...

Interviewer: And did it stop?

Yee: ...by myself and many others down in Guantanamo. It did come to a stop at a certain point. And one of the reasons is when one of the prisoners attempted suicide, the intelligence officers got a little bit smart, because they realized at that point that if a prisoner ended up killing himself, then they could no longer interrogate that prisoner. So they said we don't want prisoners killing themselves…

Interviewer: Because we can't put them to use anymore.

Yee: Exactly, but it was them who were driving them towards these suicide attempts by desecrating the Koran.

[...]

Yee: I learned from the prisoners that female interrogators were a big part of the intelligence gathering operation, and I recall even the commander of Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Major General Jeffery Miller, often saying in media interviews that female interrogators were very creative in their approach to gathering intelligence and conducting interrogations.

Interviewer: What did he mean by "creative?"

Yee: What was actually going on in these interrogation rooms with these female interrogators was that they were very ready to conduct their interrogation by stripping off their clothes, being nude in front of Muslim prisoners, thinking that Muslims who come from a conservative Muslim society might break or be shattered by this type of behavior. But they went farther than that, and they would inappropriately rub their bodies against these prisoners. It has even been reported, and suggested in FBI memos that have been subsequently released, that female interrogators even went so far as grabbing the genitals of Muslim male prisoners in the course of interrogating them. For me, as a Muslim, and for many of the other Muslim Americans who were down there, when we learned of this, we thought this was not only degrading towards the prisoner, we thought this was degrading towards…

Interviewer: The women themselves.

Yee: …The women themselves who are engaging in this type of behavior. But we can take that even a step further, and say this was degrading to all women. Because what was essentially happening, these women were presenting themselves as simply sex objects and this is not how we should view women in any society.

[...]

Yee: And in my view, it happened to me – all of this – because of three reasons: One reason is because I am a Muslim, and in this post 9/11 era, in the West, in America, we find this tremendous anti-Muslim hostility and Islamophobia, in which, all Muslims are see as potential terrorists. And I'm a Muslim, an American Muslim, and I believe that played a large role in why I was targeted. The second is because of my ethnicity - I'm a Chinese American. I learned that when I was…

Interviewer: So you are not blond and blue eyed and whatever.

Yee: Yes. I learned that when I was under investigation someone had said of me: "Who the hell does this Chinese Taliban think he is, telling us how to treat our prisoners?" So the fact that I was called a Chinese Taliban is an indication that my ethnicity also played a role. That third reason was because I was objecting to the cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment of prisoners down in Guantanamo. I believe this threatened many of those who were engaged in that possibly unlawful conduct, and I believe people might have been afraid that I was going to go public, because I was someone who actually interviewed with the media on a weekly basis, as the Muslim chaplain down in Guantanamo.

Christopher Logan said...

Thanks Jewish Odysseus, of course he would take the word of the prisoners, because we all know that they would never lie.... I have a feeling that in the future we will see his true colors come out even more.

Bos'un said...

Gee, what a bunch of baloney. Muhammadans have big chips on their shoulders and blame their craziness on others. Look at those homicide bombers that infiltrate Israel. They blame the Israelis for everything.

Remember that idiot, Prince Al Waleed ibn Talal ibn Abdulaziz al Saud? He is the guy who told Rudy Giuliani "Our Palestinian brethren continue to be slaughtered at the hands of the Israelis while the world turns the other cheek,” Al Waleed said. “At times like this one, we must address some of the issues that led to the criminal attack (9/11).”

There are a lot of apologist and appeasing liberals who sided with his analogy

I applaud Rudy Giuliani when he told the Prince to shove that $ 10 million check.

Now the simpletons are making excuses for these terrorists. **** em.

Christopher Logan said...

The day that Giuliani gave him the check back was a proud day in America. The apologists need to realize that they are going to try and attack us no matter what we do.

Anonymous said...

Islam is NOT the religion of peace, it is "The Religion of Violence".

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

Nation % Muslim
United States 1.0%
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Norway 1.8%
Canada 1.9%
China 2.0%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Nation % Muslim
Denmark 2.0%
United Kingdom 2.7%
Germany 3.7%
Spain 4.0%
Thailand 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

Nation % Muslim
Switzerland 4.3%
Philippines 5.0%
Sweden 5.0%
The Netherlands 5.5%
Trinida and Tabago 5.8%
France 8.0%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Nation % Muslim
Guyana 10.0%
India 13.4%
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Kenya 10.0%
Russia 15.0%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Nation % Muslim
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At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Nation % Muslim
Bosnia 40.0%
Chad 50.1%
Lebanon 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Nation % Muslim
Albania 70.0%
Malaysia 60.4%
Qatar 77.5%
Sudan 70.0%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Nation % Muslim
Bangladesh 83.0%
Egypt 90.0%
Gaza 98.7%
Indonesia 86.1%
Iran 98.0%
Iraq 97.0%
Jordan 92.0%
Morocco 98.7%
Pakistan 97.0%
Syria 90.0%
Tajikistan 90.0%
Turkey 99.8%
United Arab Emirates 96.0%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' — the Islamic House of Peace — there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Nation % Muslim
Yemen 99.9%
Afghanistan 100.0%
Saudi Arabia 100.0%
Somalia 100.0%

Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

The Munz said...

"They don't look like the type of people to do something like this."

What a crock of B.S. their own terrorist teachings tell them to blend in with the culture that they infiltrate.

I hope Americans get wise to what this so called "religion of peace" is trying to do in our Country.
Yes it can be treated as an equal religion under our constitution. But the same rules that apply to Christians, Jews, Mormons, Evangelists, Cristian Science need to be applied to Muslims. No MORE no less.

if they can't accept that then leave the Country and go practice your religion somewhere else. there are plenty of Countries that have been subjected to this "religion of peace" where their laws apply.

Dhivehi Resistance said...

Wake up and fight back America. The Jihado-nazis are among you.

Anonymous said...

I saw this excuse from a Muslim.


If they had stayed away from the informants, they wouldn't have been in this mess that they're in."

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