This is part II of the "Muslims Against Sharia~Exposed!" series. After Khalim left over a dozen foaming at the mouth angry comments on my site late last night, he updated his blog with a MAS in the media post. Which references some other sites which mentioned MAS. But still no word of them taking it to the streets like brave UK ex-Muslim Maryam Namazie, or doing a tour of US Mosques. Him talking to us conservatives does not change a thing.
I have now posted the exchange that lead up to the hate filled Khalim leaving these comments for me. What angered him was that I was pointing out the truth that Islam is a religion and political movement combined. He desperately tried to get it out of a few commenter's minds that Islam is political. He did not like this fact being known and kept avoiding fact after fact while trying to sell us that the Koran is going to be rewritten. Yea, I am sure that this idea will go over big across the Islamic world. Is Khalim the new prophet?
I took out the other commenter's names.
XXXXX XXXXX
XXXXX XXXXX at 7:50am May 14
Islam must not come to the united states, its not a religion its a movement.
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 8:05am May 14
Larry, you're confusing Islam with Islamism
XXXXX XXXXX
XXXXX XXXXX at 8:07am May 14
I don't believe so Khalim they are one in the same.
XXXXX XXXXXX
XXXXX XXXXXX at 8:36am May 14
XXXXX, it is more than a movement... it is a political ideological
CULT...and a dangerous one at that.... shees, talk about a Trojan
Horse!!!! It is already in the United States...it is in the UK...it is
here in Australia.... Our politicians opened the door for them and now
there is no turning back...However, our politicians could stop the
process of them gaining more of a foothold if they only grew some
balls. It is gonna get worse before it gets better I am afraid...
Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 12:37pm May 14
Khalim please, that is Islam.
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 1:35pm May 14
Larry Hobson: "I don't believe so Khalim they are one in the same."
I am a practicing Muslim. I consider Islam my religion. What makes you an expert to claim otherwise?
No true Muslim disregards Sharia law, the Hadiths, and says that the Koran is faulty while wanting to tear dozens of verses out of it. Yet he is being deceptive about political Islam. He is not being straight with us.
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 1:37pm May 14
XXXXX XXXXXX: "[Islam] is a political ideological CULT"
You are confusing Islam with Islamism
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 1:38pm May 14
Christopher Logan: "Khalim please, that is Islam."
Not mine
Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 1:42pm May 14
Khalim, The Koran and the Hadiths are the scriptures of Islam, not
Islamism. Islam has always been political and the term Islamism did
not even exist back in the early days of Islam.
Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 1:49pm May 14
Khalim are you trying to tell us that Islam is not political? History
shows us that Islam is political. Sharia is political. Are you now the
leader of the Islamic world and are going to change this fact?
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 2:34am May 15
"The Koran and the Hadiths are the scriptures of Islam"
The scriptures are faulty - they have been changed along the way
"Islamism did not even exist back in the early days of Islam." (Here Khalim leaves out the part of me saying "term" Islamism.)
And what is the basis for such 'scholarly' statement?
"History shows us that Islam is political"
No. History shows that Islamism is political. Do you understand the
difference between a religion and an ideology?
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 2:37am May 15
This is one scary example of creeping Sharia:
Islam Day in Hawaii.
Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 2:58am May 15
"The scriptures are faulty - they have been changed along the way"
No matter what you say they are the scriptures of Islam and that is
not going to change.
Like I said what you are selling will NEVER fly in the Middle East.
"Islamism did not even exist back in the early days of Islam."
I meant the word "Islamism" did not exist back then, but political
Islam did. So Islam is political.
"No. History shows that Islamism is political. Do you understand the
difference between a religion and an ideology?"
Do you understand that Islam is both combined? Do you understand that
99.9% of the people that I speak that follow the subject Islam know
that?
The caliphate was the only form of governance that had full approval
in traditional Islamic theology, and "is the core political concept of
Sunni Islam, by the consensus of the Muslim majority in the early
centuries."[2]
Caliphate
You never answered if you supported ending Muslim immigration.
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 3:36am May 15
"No matter what you say they are the scriptures of Islam and that is
not going to change."
The scriptures were changed before; they can be changed again.
"I meant the word "Islamism" did not exist back then"
Who cares how it was called.
"but political Islam did. So Islam is political."
That is just as stupid as to claim that since political Judaism
(Zionism) exists, therefore Judaism is political.
"Do you understand that Islam is both combined? Do you understand that
99.9% of the people that I speak that follow the subject Islam know
that?"
I'm sorry that 99.9% of people you speak to are THAT ignorant.
(Apparently all the Islamic leaders who that know that Islam is a political movement, including Mohammad himself are wrong and Khalim the absolute nobody in the Islamic world is correct.)
"The caliphate was the only form of governance that had full approval
in traditional Islamic theology"
Again, you're confusing theology and politics. Even if majority of
Muslims (as our polls indicate) practice Islamism, the ideology
thinking it's Islam, the religion, it does not make those two the
same.
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 3:36am May 15
As for immigration, our position was summarized in Linda's interview
to FrontPage.
I asked Khalim what his stance was, not Linda Ahmeds who is all the way in Sweden.
Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 3:39am May 15
Thanks.
Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 3:58am May 15
"The scriptures were changed before; they can be changed again."
Yea OK....meanwhile sharia is spreading across the world. I will not
hold my breath.
"That is just as stupid as to claim that since political Judaism
(Zionism) exists, therefore Judaism is political."
Zionism is not religious law. Zionists are not calling for Zionists
laws or courts across the world. Invalid comparison. But keep up the
uncalled for attitude.
Zionism is the international Jewish political movement that originally
supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish People in
Palestine.
"I'm sorry that 99.9% of people you speak to are THAT ignorant."
One more time..."The caliphate was the only form of governance that
had full approval in traditional Islamic theology">
Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 4:01am May 15
The Caliph (Arabic: خليفة; /khalīfah/) is the head of state in a
Caliphate, and the title for the leader of the Islamic Ummah, an
Islamic community ruled by the Shari'ah.
Caliphs were often also referred to as Amīr al-Mu'minīn (أمير
المؤمنين) "Commander of the Faithful", Imam al-Ummah, Imam al-Mu'minīn
(إمام المؤمنين), or more colloquially, leader of the Muslims.
An imam (Arabic: إمام plural ائمة A'immah, Persian: امام) is an
Islamic leadership position. Often the leader of a mosque and the
community.
Like I said Islam is religion and politics combined.
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 4:21am May 15
"Zionism is not religious law. Zionists are not calling for Zionists
laws or courts across the world. Invalid comparison."
You're completely missing the point. First Islamism not a religious
law either. Second nobody is claiming that Zionism is even remotely as
appalling as Islamism. However, both are political ideology based on
religion.
"The caliphate was the only form of governance that had full approval
in traditional Islamic theology"
Repeating BS does not make it a fact: the caliphate was the only form
of governance that had full approval in traditional Islamic ideology.
Here we have Khalim blatantly disregarding facts. But I guess one can do that when they are the new prophet of Islam.
Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 4:29am May 15
I never said that Islamism is religious law. I am not missing
anything, I am just not buying what you are selling.
Right is it bull, all because YOU say so...
It is all connected....
When Muhammad died in 632, he left a political organization that was
entirely centered around him. He was a political and military leader
and he was the source of revelation. When political or social
difficulties came up, not only would they center on Muhammad, but
sometimes through revelation be mediated by Allah himself.
Caliph
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 4:41am May 15
"I never said that Islamism is religious law." No, you didn 't. You
implied it by stating "Zionism is not religious law" when making the
point of Zionism being different from Islamism.
"I am not missing anything"
You must be not very good with patterns.
"Muhammad ... was a political and military leader and he was the
source of revelation."
Some other prophets were also political and/or military leaders. Jesus
had his followers, so you could make an argument that he was a
political leader. Certainly there are militant Christians who treat
Christianity as a political ideology rather than religion. Does that
make Christianity a political ideology?
Now Khalim sounds like any other Islamic excuse maker as he tries to bring in Christianity. Although Khalim does speak out against terrorism, it is seen throughout this exchange that he speaks out of both sides of his mouth. As he is flat out lying about Islam not being a religion and a political movement. Please remember that the Council of American Islamic Relations (CAIR) speaks out against terrorism. Does it mean or change anything? No it does not.
Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 5:11am May 15
"You must be not very good with patterns."
Right, another insult.
I am not talking about Christianity. Anyway Christianity has evolved
Islam has not. It was and is a political movement.
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 7:05am May 15
"Right, another insult."
That's not an insult, that's an observation. I'm trying to show that
if you apply your tests consistently to different religions, you'll
see how absurd your claim about Islam is. And instead of trying to
follow the pattern, which is quite simple, really, you're trying to
stick to your misconceptions and getting insulted. Doesn't that remind you of bleeding-heart Liberals who, out of kindness, want to install socialism, but destroy the country in the process? Again, I'm not trying to insult you by comparing you to
socialists, I'm trying to show the absurdity of your position.
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 7:07am May 15
"Christianity has evolved Islam has not."
I could agree with that. However, Islam is 600 years younger. Remember
Christianity 600 years ago? The Inquisition, perhaps?
Maybe Khalim should of pointed out any proof that he has showing that Islam is evolving or reforming. Because I see none, I see the problem getting worse and worse.
Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 11:44am May 15
Khalim, what is absurd is what you are selling. Islam is a religion
and politics combined. It covers all aspects of life. You have given
nothing but your opinion with no backup sources.
You are also known for being a person who is quick to insult.
You bringing up Christianity makes you sound like any other Islamic
excuse maker.
Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 11:58am May 15
The Bible is man's words. Many Muslims believe that Koran is in God's
words and mere man cannot change them.
Sharia is spreading and there is no major "moderate" movement against
it. Islam is not reforming.
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 12:37pm May 15
"It covers all aspects of life."
You do not understand the differences between Islam and Sharia
"You are also known for being a person who is quick to insult."
Suck it up, you whiner. You've been insulting my religion. Do you hear
me bitching and moaning?
Insulting your religion? That does not sound like the words of a "moderate" Muslim. How is pointing out the truth that Islam is part political an insult?
"You bringing up Christianity makes you sound like any other Islamic
excuse maker."
What a bunch of crap. I never claimed that terrorism (or anything
related to it) in the name of Islam is excusable.
"The Bible is man's words."
No shit! I want to see a single Cristian cleric who would agree with that.
"Many Muslims believe that Koran is in God's words and mere man cannot
change them."
Anyone who believes that all of the Koran came from God lacks simple
common sense.
(I am sure that the Muslims in the Middle East will change their beliefs all because Khalim said that they are wrong.)
"Sharia is spreading and there is no major "moderate" movement against
it. Islam is not reforming."
And that makes Islam an ideology?
Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 12:51pm May 15
"You do not understand the differences between Islam and Sharia"
They are intertwined, no matter what you a NO ONE in the Islamic world says.
"Suck it up, you whiner. You've been insulting my religion. Do you
hear me bitching and moaning?'
Oh here is the trash talking so called "moderate" Muslim who talks out
of both sides of his mouth. I don't care what insults you, maybe you
can start spewing your vile hate like you do on other sites. You sound
like any other complaining Muslim. You are a fraud, which has been
exposed on other sites. Nice emails that you write people. I am sure
once more people see them they will really take you seriously....
No shit! I want to see a single Cristian cleric who would agree with that.
Obviously many would agree, as they wrote a New Testament.
"Anyone who believes that all of the Koran came from God lacks simple
common sense."
So you go to the Middle East and straighten it all out. Nice knowing you.
Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 2:13pm May 15
What kind of an demented ass would claim that the Bible is not
considered by Christians to be God's word? All you can do is bitch.
You bring nothing to the table in terms of actual facts. Provide your
scholarly opinions on religion elsewhere.
The basis of this exchange is that Khalim is disregarding facts and he is trying to convince people that Islam itself is not political. To me that comes off as anyother Muslim we see online who is trying to get us to lower our guard on Islam itself.
In the upcoming part III I will post an exchange between an Egyptian Muslim and Khalim. The Egyptian debates like an adult while all Khalim can do is spew hatred.
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