As promised, for the third part in the "Muslims Against Sharia~Exposed!" series, I would like to show you guys a so called "debate" between sewer mouth Khalim Massaud, the president of the Muslims Against Sharia Organization and an Egyptian Muslim. The reason that I am posting this is to show that Muslims do not even take MAS seriously. As Ali Sina said "Khalim is no Muslim". Not to get off topic of the Egyptian "debate" but on Facebook Mr.Sina challenged MAS to a debate. MAS responded by saying that they would have it on Sina's Faith Freedom International site. When Mr.Sina agreed he received hate filled email responses from Khalim and on top of it Khalim failed to show up to the debate.
Here is the "debate" with the Egyptian.
MAS is posting as reformIslam here.
From the Realm of the Sphinx blog.
The ongoing ramblings of a young Egyptian student stuck in Germany..
Published March 10, 2009
For those more acquainted with Islam, there is no instant more eyebrow-raising than a certain blogger called “Muslims against Sharia” turning up somewhere in a random comment section, accusing everyone of ‘Islamofascism’.
IF HARSH LANGUAGE OFFENDS YOU PLEASE DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER
Update numero duo: It’s official! Solid evidence that the “Muslim” against Sharia isn’t any more Muslim than a decorated Christmas tree. From the comments below: (For the record, this is the same user as sewer-mouthed “Muslims against Sharia” on the GoV vs. LGF thread.)
This “Muslim” against Sharia refuses to say the most basic and natural thing a Muslim would say, thus removing all doubt that they’re not a Muslim to start with. One second he/she/it is whining and moaning about rumours against its pour soul, and the next moment it’s acting all arrogant towards those who offer a chance to debunk them. Not exactly the easiest way out.
And how’s this for consistency? If you really cared that much about your religious privacy, why are you masquerading around with the title “Muslim” for the whole world to see? Tough luck, douche, you’ve blown your chance, and here I am, calling you out on a public blog for it. I’ve put up with you long enough, but this is a plain insult to my intelligence. So, all together now:
Screw you, your lying and your behaviour worthy of scoundrels. This is a testimony to the true nature of the “counter-jihadosphere”. Lying, fraudulent, corrupt bunch of pirates, hiding behind an allegedly good cause, while harboring hate towards anything Islamic. The true, good natured Muslims of this world will continue living in peace with their environments and will never go down. Your blood boiling at this very fact makes it even better.
March 10, 2009 at 22:05
It is fascinating that when Muslims take responsibility for a terrorist act nobody doubts their authenticity, but when Muslims stand up against terrorism and Islamic supremacism, every every Islamonazi sh**bag [Mind your language - ed.] feels compelled to accuse them of being fake Muslims.
March 10, 2009 at 22:31
Thank you very much for proving my point better than I ever can.
“Islamonazi sh**bag” – Just as predicted by the first sentence of this post. You’re just angry for being exposed as a fraud, that’s what. But I have news for you, throwing a strawman argument at the wrong person has “YOU FAIL!! ” written all over it.
People like you represent me just as little as terrorists do. Islam and the Qur’an are here to stay, and God’s willing there will be a day where there are no more terrorists who abuse this religion for their own corrupt purposes, and no more hypocrites like you, who act Muslim while hating everything Islamic.
But alas, God has addressed you munafiqeen so often.. No wonder you want to create a dreamworld Islam where even your type is tolerated..
March 11, 2009 at 00:14
Why should I be angry? Because you’re too dumb to distinguish between Muslims and Islamonazi sh**bags? [What did I just say about language? My my, the manners some people have.. - ed.]
March 11, 2009 at 00:39
For your information, I’ve been living as a Muslim my entire life, and in a Muslim society for 80% of it. You can trust me to recognize a real Muslim when I see one. And even though I’m no Islamic scholar, my experience goes as far as figuring out who is actually too stupid to understand the Qur’an and who isn’t, just as well as distinguishing between sincere advocates of peace and raging hypocrites.
But if it grinds your gears that faithful Muslims aren’t subscribing to your agenda in droves, then I really can’t help you.
Oh, and if you decide to use profanity one more time, despite being warned twice, you’re comment will end up in limbo. I’m serious.
Lex, Agent of Chaos
March 11, 2009 at 02:26
Oh, Sphinx, I cuss like a sailor. These people are somewhat amusing though, what with their insistence upon being Muslim “reformers” whose presence online is only felt when people criticize their non- (and actually ANTI-) Muslim blog pals.
I can’t believe these nuts, all crawling out of the woodwork to be all lewd in our comments sections. Why wouldn’t they be rebutting the claims instead of insulting us for posting these claims, exactly? They’re giving themselves away all the more. Oh, I do love funny web happenings!
March 11, 2009 at 10:21
Lex, this reformislam clown just had a comment deleted for naughty language. Oh, and in the same breath accused me of not being a Muslim at all. But substance? Squat. No rebuttals, no counterarguments, no intelligent debate, nothing. Better so, we don’t have to do any work to prove our point
If that were a school essay, it’d be worth a shiny F. Some people just don’t try hard enough.
March 12, 2009 at 10:36
Well, the blogger ID seems legitimate, because if you click on it, you get the profile linking to all their blogs. Worst that could happen is somebody hijacked this blogger profile, but with a group so large and so active, what are the odds?
You also made this point: “He has no right to then claim that one cannot be a Muslim and seek to omit certain passages from the Qur’an.”
If this were the only aspect, one could debate to what extent somebody can be a Muslim a bit more critical of his own religous sources, but it’s not restricted to this. This fellow didn’t even say the shahada, despite being asked several times to do so, and prove that his title as a “Muslim” is correct. It’s indisputable that you cannot call somebody a Muslim if they refuse to utter the most simple testimony of their faith, which doesn’t even exclude belief in other prophets, i.e. Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, .. (pbut). On the very contrary. You can be a Muslim who doesn’t pray regularly or doesn’t follow the teachings of Islam very closely, but if you don’t believe that there is only one God, and that Mohamed (pbuh) is one of his messengers, then you simply cannot call yourself Muslim.
So as debatable as the point on the Qur’an is, by his words this individual left no reasons to believe that he really is one, especially after calling my Christian co-blogger Lex an “Islamonazi”
Anyway thanks a lot for this discussion, and I surely care about honesty in everything I say. As far as I’m concerned, the points made against MAS so far have been honest, regardless of everything else.
March 12, 2009 at 19:55
“the points made against MAS so far have been honest, regardless of everything else.”
The main point against Muslims Against Sharia is that we are not Muslims. There is not a single shred of evidence that corroborates that point. All claims are based on opinions, rumors, and innuendos. And the only people who state opinions as facts are retarded dumbsh**s or lying c***suckers, like mane of the posters above. [Think of any children watching! - ed.]
March 12, 2009 at 20:22
If you want all the innuendos and rumours to stop, you can proceed to debunk half of them by announcing your Shahada, here and now. A real Muslim would never see this as a coercion, but as the most natural thing in the world.
Go ahead and do it. Once we have that behind us, we can talk about why I still think you’re a bunch of clowns.
March 12, 2009 at 21:13
“If you want all the innuendos and rumours to stop, you can proceed to debunk half of them”
F*** you, you stupid s*** [Oh darling, how I love you too! - ed.]. I’m not going to lower myself to debunking rumors. As for Shahada, religious privacy clause from our Manifesto.
The excuse that he gives does not cut it. He goes around telling people that he is a Muslim. So obviously he is not concerned with religious privacy. He should also not be in the public eye if he does not want to respond to simple requests and questions.
March 12, 2009 at 21:51
That’s all you needed to say. Thank you. I have a little present for you up in the original post.
Lex, Agent of Chaos
March 12, 2009 at 21:55
You have a “manifesto” and it includes NOT saying the Shahada in front of others?
Reform, you got some ’splainin to do…
March 12, 2009 at 23:23
“Reform, you got some ’splainin to do…”
Which part of “nobody owes you anything” don’t you understand, you retarded c***sucker [You're quite a piece of work - ed.] with overblown sense of entitlement?
In the following in posts Khalim's childish behavior gets even worse. Here is his exchange with private investigator Bill Warner. For the record what is going on between them has nothing to do with me. I have no relationship with Mr.Warner.
March 17, 2009 at 02:25
Who is Khalim Massoud and what does he really do and does anyone really care?
2 Comments »
1) —– Original Message —–
From: Khalim Massoud, Muslims Against sharia
To: firstname.lastname@example.org PI Bill Warner
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Law suits, ain’t this grand
Are you threatening me, you little biatch? You must have been sucking cousin dad’s xxxx for too long, if you really think that a demented piece of sxxt like you could scare anyone. And if you weren’t that stupid, you’d know that if you’re a Christian or a Jew, we’re praying to the same God, you retarded inbred. Also, you unhealthy fascination with larva is troubling. You should discuss it with a shrink at the free clinic, you dumb piece of white trash (Bill Warner).
From: Khalim Massoud email@example.com
March 18, 2009 at 20:46
Here’s another chance to debunk all accusations, and don’t ruin it for the 48th time. I must remind you though, mere profanity only reinforces them. Kind of reminiscent of the infamous “Behead those who insult Islam” sign wielders’ mentality..
March 18, 2009 at 23:20
Maybe you just didn’t get it, so here it is again:
If somebody says that you swear too much while saying nothing of substance, and you try to prove him wrong by swearing too much while saying nothing of substance, then you are on the same mental level as extremists who go all violent after being told that they’re violent.
I’m not telling you to stop though, you’re providing some high-class entertainment to all onlookers here. Do carry on.
March 18, 2009 at 23:45
Spinster, you are the one who didn’t get it, so here it is again. You ARE a c***sucker. Calling you a c***sucker is not an insult, it’s an accurate description. Just as when you see a piece of s*** and you call it s***, it is not an insult? Get it, you dumb c***sucking piece of s***?
Well I think that you get point. If anyone wants to continue to follow this exchange it can be viewed here. Scroll down until you see the post starting with,
March 19, 2009 at 00:04
The point is that not even Muslims respect Khalim, so what kind of movement can he be building? With his behavior who would even take him seriously? The Sphinx simply asked Khalim to type the words of the Shahada. He will not. I have asked him to name one US Mosque that supports MAS. He basically gave me the same response that he gave to The Spinx. That he does not have to explain himself to anyone. If a public figure has nothing to hide wouldn't they be eager to show their credibility?
Here is a post from Khalim's site where he is being questioned as to why there are so few Muslims there. Look at Khalim's lame response!
I notice that there are relatively few self-declared Muslims showing up in your poll statistics.
March 29, 2008 11:36 PM
Muslims Against Sharia said...
"I notice that there are relatively few self-declared Muslims showing up in your poll statistics."
How about the fact that relatively few Muslims have access to the Internet?
March 30, 2008 4:28 PM
Here is another Muslim who does not believe in Khalim. If Muslims do not respect him what kind of movement can there be? Like I said there is none, this is all just false hope. It is time to end all Muslim immigration.
Memories of the Willow Tree said...
This is a CIA/Mossad run web site. No true Muslim would support this double standard racism. Muslims ARE peaceful, you are spreading lies and Islamophobia.
March 31, 2008 2:48 AM
Muslims Against Sharia said...
Willow Tree Stump,
An opinion of a retard who thinks that Islam is a race and that Robert Spencer is a secret Wahhabi is always welcome here. (Our apologies to the retards)
March 31, 2008 7:33 AM
I am going to close out this series with one more part. In it we will play show and tell with the MAS.