Muslims Rioting in Greece

In the past Muslims have rioted in Belgium, Denmark and France. So why not add Greece to that list? Hopefully those that support Muslim immigration will wake up before it is too late.

Hat tip to the European Alliance for Rational Thought.

Muslims protest alleged Koran destruction in Greece
Fri May 22, 2009
By Dina Kyriakidou

ATHENS (Reuters) - Hundreds of Muslims marched through central Athens on Thursday, damaging shops and cars, to protest what they said was the destruction of a Koran by a Greek policeman.

"The president of the Muslim Union of Greece, Naim Elghandour, said that during police checks at a Syrian-owned coffee shop on Wednesday, an officer took a customer's Koran, tore it up, threw it on the floor and stomped on it.

In response, about 1,000 immigrants, many from Syria, Pakistan and Afghanistan, marched to central Omonia Square, smashing several shop windows and five cars, a police official said.

Police sources said an internal investigation was launched into the Koran incident.

"We were told by police we will be given the name of the policeman who did this so we can press charges," Elghandour said.

Thousands of immigrants, many from Muslim countries, cross into Greece illegally every year seeking a better life in the West. Trapped in legal limbo, most have no jobs, live in squalid conditions and are often arrested for minor crimes.

On May 9, members of a rightist group attacked immigrants in Athens, sending at least three to hospital. Rights groups accuse predominantly Orthodox Christian Greece of not doing enough to protect immigrants.

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Feds: NY Suspects Disappointed Couldn't Attack WTC

This is an update to the "Bronx Terrorists ‘wanted to commit jihad’" story. Personally I think that if they are found guilty they should be hanged at Ground Zero.

Feds: NY suspects disappointed couldn't attack WTC

WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. – Four men arrested after planting what they thought were explosives near two New York City synagogues were disappointed that the World Trade Center wasn't still around to attack, a federal prosecutor said Thursday as the men appeared in court for the first time.

The suspects were arrested Wednesday night, shortly after planting a 37-pound mock explosive device in the trunk of a car outside the Riverdale Temple and two mock bombs in the backseat of a car outside the Riverdale Jewish Center, another synagogue a few blocks away, authorities said. Police blocked their escape with an 18-wheel truck, smashing their tinted SUV windows and apprehending the unarmed suspects.

Authorities said the men also plotted to shoot down a military plane.
James Cromitie, 55; David Williams, 28; Onta Williams, 32; and Laguerre Payen, all of Newburgh, were charged with conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction within the United States and conspiracy to acquire and use anti-aircraft missiles.
All the suspects except Payen appeared in federal court in White Plains on Thursday, their hands shackled to their waists. Payen was expected to appear in court later Thursday.

Lawyers for the defendants, all of whom are U.S. citizens, did not seek bail. In arguing against bail, Assistant U.S. Attorney Eric Snyder told the judge "it's hard to envision a more chilling plot" and described the men as "extremely violent."
They were "disappointed...that the best target (the World Trade Center) was hit already," he said, adding that the men were "eager to bring death to Jews." He also said Cromitie wanted to see what he did on TV and be able to say, "I'm the one who did that."

Earlier, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly spoke at a news conference outside the Riverdale Jewish Center in the Bronx.

"They stated that they wanted to commit jihad," Kelly said. "They were disturbed about what happened in Afghanistan and Pakistan, that Muslims were being killed."
Kelly said he believed the men knew each other through prison. They had long rap sheets for charges including drug possession and assault. During the hearing Cromitie told the judge he had used marijuana on Wednesday but was clear-headed enough to understand the proceedings.

An official told The Associated Press that three of the men are converts to Islam. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss details of the investigation.

Payen, who officials said is of Haitian descent, occasionally attended a Newburgh mosque. His statements on Islam often had to be corrected, according to Assistant Imam Hamin Rashada, who met Payen through a program that helps prisoners re-enter society.

writers Devlin Barrett in Washington, Michael Hill in Newburgh, N.Y., and Jim Fitzgerald in White Plains, N.Y., contributed to this report. (This version CORRECTS UPDATES with court hearing, including appearances by 3 of 4 defendants, their ages, all U.S. citizens, appearing in shackles, other details; corrects quote attributed to Nancy Rouemy. Multimedia: A pdf of the criminal complaint against the accused temple bombing conspirators is in the _documents folder slugged temple_bomb_complaint.pdf. AP Video.)

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Bronx Terrorists ‘wanted to commit jihad’

Less than one week ago I posted a video which showed American Muslims calling for jihad right on the streets of NY. Now four Bronx Muslims, three who are converts have been arrested. They were sold fake explosives but they did not know that they were fake and planted them in cars parked outside the Riverdale Temple, a Reform synagogue, and the Riverdale Jewish Center, an Orthodox synagogue. This once again shows us how Islam rots away societies from within.

Hat tip to UK Margaret.

Bronx terrorists ‘wanted to commit jihad’
May 21, 2009
WASHINGTON (JTA) -- The four men who planned to blow up two synagogues in the Bronx "wanted to commit jihad," the New York Police commissioner said.

James Cromitie, David Williams, Onta Williams and Laguerre Payen also wanted to shoot down military planes, according to reports.

The four men, all of Newburgh 60 miles north of New York, were arrested Wednesday night. Payen is a native of Haiti. All four are Muslims, and three reportedly are recent converts to Islam.

“They stated that they wanted to commit jihad,” Commissioner Raymond Kelly said Thursday morning during a news conference at the Riverdale Jewish Center, one of the targeted synagogues.

“More information about their motives I’m sure will be developed as the case progresses, but right now they stated they wanted to make jihad. They were disturbed about what was happening in Afghanistan and Pakistan, that Muslims were being killed," he said. "They were making statements that Jews were killed in this attack and that would be all right -- that sort of thing.”

Kelly said the men, who are scheduled to be arraigned Thursday morning in Federal District Court, were not acting on behalf of any terrorist organizations and described them as "petty criminals" with multiple arrests for minor crimes.

According to the U.S. Attorney’s statement, an informant working with the FBI this month provided the four men with a disabled anti-aircraft missile launcher and disabled explosives. The men on Wednesday planted the fake explosives, which they believed to be real, in cars parked outside the Riverdale Temple, a Reform synagogue, and the Riverdale Jewish Center, an Orthodox synagogue.

Last month, according to the statement and to the criminal complaint, the defendants photographed several synagogues and a Jewish community center in the Riverdale section of the Bronx as well as the Air National Guard Base in Newburgh.

Cromitie, who according to the complaint told the informant that his parents once lived in Afghanistan, allegedly expressed an interest in working with the Pakistan-based Islamist terrorist group Jaish-e-Mohammed.

The first meeting between the informer and Cromitie took place in June 2008 in a mosque in Newburgh.

“While the weapons provided to the defendants by the cooperating witness were fake, the defendants thought they were absolutely real," acting U.S. Attorney Lev Dassin said in the statement. "The defendants planned to strike military planes with surface-to-air guided missiles and to destroy a synagogue and a Jewish community center with C-4 plastic explosives.”

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Muslims Against Sharia "Debates" an Egyptian Muslim

As promised, for the third part in the "Muslims Against Sharia~Exposed!" series, I would like to show you guys a so called "debate" between sewer mouth Khalim Massaud, the president of the Muslims Against Sharia Organization and an Egyptian Muslim. The reason that I am posting this is to show that Muslims do not even take MAS seriously. As Ali Sina said "Khalim is no Muslim". Not to get off topic of the Egyptian "debate" but on Facebook Mr.Sina challenged MAS to a debate. MAS responded by saying that they would have it on Sina's Faith Freedom International site. When Mr.Sina agreed he received hate filled email responses from Khalim and on top of it Khalim failed to show up to the debate.

Here is the "debate" with the Egyptian.

MAS is posting as reformIslam here.

From the Realm of the Sphinx blog.
The ongoing ramblings of a young Egyptian student stuck in Germany..

Published March 10, 2009

For those more acquainted with Islam, there is no instant more eyebrow-raising than a certain blogger called “Muslims against Sharia” turning up somewhere in a random comment section, accusing everyone of ‘Islamofascism’.

IF HARSH LANGUAGE OFFENDS YOU PLEASE DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER

Update numero duo: It’s official! Solid evidence that the “Muslim” against Sharia isn’t any more Muslim than a decorated Christmas tree. From the comments below: (For the record, this is the same user as sewer-mouthed “Muslims against Sharia” on the GoV vs. LGF thread.)

Shahada

This “Muslim” against Sharia refuses to say the most basic and natural thing a Muslim would say, thus removing all doubt that they’re not a Muslim to start with. One second he/she/it is whining and moaning about rumours against its pour soul, and the next moment it’s acting all arrogant towards those who offer a chance to debunk them. Not exactly the easiest way out.

And how’s this for consistency? If you really cared that much about your religious privacy, why are you masquerading around with the title “Muslim” for the whole world to see? Tough luck, douche, you’ve blown your chance, and here I am, calling you out on a public blog for it. I’ve put up with you long enough, but this is a plain insult to my intelligence. So, all together now:

Screw you, your lying and your behaviour worthy of scoundrels. This is a testimony to the true nature of the “counter-jihadosphere”. Lying, fraudulent, corrupt bunch of pirates, hiding behind an allegedly good cause, while harboring hate towards anything Islamic. The true, good natured Muslims of this world will continue living in peace with their environments and will never go down. Your blood boiling at this very fact makes it even better.

reformislam
March 10, 2009 at 22:05
It is fascinating that when Muslims take responsibility for a terrorist act nobody doubts their authenticity, but when Muslims stand up against terrorism and Islamic supremacism, every every Islamonazi sh**bag [Mind your language - ed.] feels compelled to accuse them of being fake Muslims.

The Sphinx
March 10, 2009 at 22:31
Thank you very much for proving my point better than I ever can.

“Islamonazi sh**bag” – Just as predicted by the first sentence of this post. You’re just angry for being exposed as a fraud, that’s what. But I have news for you, throwing a strawman argument at the wrong person has “YOU FAIL!! ” written all over it.

People like you represent me just as little as terrorists do. Islam and the Qur’an are here to stay, and God’s willing there will be a day where there are no more terrorists who abuse this religion for their own corrupt purposes, and no more hypocrites like you, who act Muslim while hating everything Islamic.

But alas, God has addressed you munafiqeen so often.. No wonder you want to create a dreamworld Islam where even your type is tolerated..

reformislam
March 11, 2009 at 00:14
Why should I be angry? Because you’re too dumb to distinguish between Muslims and Islamonazi sh**bags? [What did I just say about language? My my, the manners some people have.. - ed.]

The Sphinx
March 11, 2009 at 00:39
For your information, I’ve been living as a Muslim my entire life, and in a Muslim society for 80% of it. You can trust me to recognize a real Muslim when I see one. And even though I’m no Islamic scholar, my experience goes as far as figuring out who is actually too stupid to understand the Qur’an and who isn’t, just as well as distinguishing between sincere advocates of peace and raging hypocrites.

But if it grinds your gears that faithful Muslims aren’t subscribing to your agenda in droves, then I really can’t help you.

Oh, and if you decide to use profanity one more time, despite being warned twice, you’re comment will end up in limbo. I’m serious.

Lex, Agent of Chaos
March 11, 2009 at 02:26
Oh, Sphinx, I cuss like a sailor. These people are somewhat amusing though, what with their insistence upon being Muslim “reformers” whose presence online is only felt when people criticize their non- (and actually ANTI-) Muslim blog pals.

I can’t believe these nuts, all crawling out of the woodwork to be all lewd in our comments sections. Why wouldn’t they be rebutting the claims instead of insulting us for posting these claims, exactly? They’re giving themselves away all the more. Oh, I do love funny web happenings!

The Sphinx
March 11, 2009 at 10:21
Lex, this reformislam clown just had a comment deleted for naughty language. Oh, and in the same breath accused me of not being a Muslim at all. But substance? Squat. No rebuttals, no counterarguments, no intelligent debate, nothing. Better so, we don’t have to do any work to prove our point

If that were a school essay, it’d be worth a shiny F. Some people just don’t try hard enough.

The Sphinx
March 12, 2009 at 10:36
Well, the blogger ID seems legitimate, because if you click on it, you get the profile linking to all their blogs. Worst that could happen is somebody hijacked this blogger profile, but with a group so large and so active, what are the odds?

You also made this point: “He has no right to then claim that one cannot be a Muslim and seek to omit certain passages from the Qur’an.”

If this were the only aspect, one could debate to what extent somebody can be a Muslim a bit more critical of his own religous sources, but it’s not restricted to this. This fellow didn’t even say the shahada, despite being asked several times to do so, and prove that his title as a “Muslim” is correct. It’s indisputable that you cannot call somebody a Muslim if they refuse to utter the most simple testimony of their faith, which doesn’t even exclude belief in other prophets, i.e. Abraham, Moses, Noah, Jesus, .. (pbut). On the very contrary. You can be a Muslim who doesn’t pray regularly or doesn’t follow the teachings of Islam very closely, but if you don’t believe that there is only one God, and that Mohamed (pbuh) is one of his messengers, then you simply cannot call yourself Muslim.

So as debatable as the point on the Qur’an is, by his words this individual left no reasons to believe that he really is one, especially after calling my Christian co-blogger Lex an “Islamonazi”

Anyway thanks a lot for this discussion, and I surely care about honesty in everything I say. As far as I’m concerned, the points made against MAS so far have been honest, regardless of everything else.

reformislam
March 12, 2009 at 19:55
“the points made against MAS so far have been honest, regardless of everything else.”

The main point against Muslims Against Sharia is that we are not Muslims. There is not a single shred of evidence that corroborates that point. All claims are based on opinions, rumors, and innuendos. And the only people who state opinions as facts are retarded dumbsh**s or lying c***suckers, like mane of the posters above. [Think of any children watching! - ed.]

The Sphinx
March 12, 2009 at 20:22
If you want all the innuendos and rumours to stop, you can proceed to debunk half of them by announcing your Shahada, here and now. A real Muslim would never see this as a coercion, but as the most natural thing in the world.

Go ahead and do it. Once we have that behind us, we can talk about why I still think you’re a bunch of clowns.

reformislam
March 12, 2009 at 21:13
“If you want all the innuendos and rumours to stop, you can proceed to debunk half of them”

F*** you, you stupid s*** [Oh darling, how I love you too! - ed.]. I’m not going to lower myself to debunking rumors. As for Shahada, religious privacy clause from our Manifesto.

The excuse that he gives does not cut it. He goes around telling people that he is a Muslim. So obviously he is not concerned with religious privacy. He should also not be in the public eye if he does not want to respond to simple requests and questions.

The Sphinx
March 12, 2009 at 21:51
That’s all you needed to say. Thank you. I have a little present for you up in the original post.

Lex, Agent of Chaos
March 12, 2009 at 21:55
You have a “manifesto” and it includes NOT saying the Shahada in front of others?

Reform, you got some ’splainin to do…

reformislam
March 12, 2009 at 23:23
“Reform, you got some ’splainin to do…”

Which part of “nobody owes you anything” don’t you understand, you retarded c***sucker [You're quite a piece of work - ed.] with overblown sense of entitlement?

In the following in posts Khalim's childish behavior gets even worse. Here is his exchange with private investigator Bill Warner. For the record what is going on between them has nothing to do with me. I have no relationship with Mr.Warner.

pibillwarner
March 17, 2009 at 02:25
Who is Khalim Massoud and what does he really do and does anyone really care?

2 Comments »

1) —– Original Message —–
From: Khalim Massoud, Muslims Against sharia
reformislam@gmail.com
To: wbi@comcast.net PI Bill Warner
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Law suits, ain’t this grand

Are you threatening me, you little biatch? You must have been sucking cousin dad’s xxxx for too long, if you really think that a demented piece of sxxt like you could scare anyone. And if you weren’t that stupid, you’d know that if you’re a Christian or a Jew, we’re praying to the same God, you retarded inbred. Also, you unhealthy fascination with larva is troubling. You should discuss it with a shrink at the free clinic, you dumb piece of white trash (Bill Warner).
From: Khalim Massoud reformislam@gmail.com

The Sphinx
March 18, 2009 at 20:46
Here’s another chance to debunk all accusations, and don’t ruin it for the 48th time. I must remind you though, mere profanity only reinforces them. Kind of reminiscent of the infamous “Behead those who insult Islam” sign wielders’ mentality..

The Sphinx
March 18, 2009 at 23:20
Maybe you just didn’t get it, so here it is again:

If somebody says that you swear too much while saying nothing of substance, and you try to prove him wrong by swearing too much while saying nothing of substance, then you are on the same mental level as extremists who go all violent after being told that they’re violent.

I’m not telling you to stop though, you’re providing some high-class entertainment to all onlookers here. Do carry on.

reformislam
March 18, 2009 at 23:45
Spinster, you are the one who didn’t get it, so here it is again. You ARE a c***sucker. Calling you a c***sucker is not an insult, it’s an accurate description. Just as when you see a piece of s*** and you call it s***, it is not an insult? Get it, you dumb c***sucking piece of s***?

Well I think that you get point. If anyone wants to continue to follow this exchange it can be viewed here. Scroll down until you see the post starting with,

The Sphinx
March 19, 2009 at 00:04


The point is that not even Muslims respect Khalim, so what kind of movement can he be building? With his behavior who would even take him seriously? The Sphinx simply asked Khalim to type the words of the Shahada. He will not. I have asked him to name one US Mosque that supports MAS. He basically gave me the same response that he gave to The Spinx. That he does not have to explain himself to anyone. If a public figure has nothing to hide wouldn't they be eager to show their credibility?

Here is a post from Khalim's site where he is being questioned as to why there are so few Muslims there. Look at Khalim's lame response!

joe said...
I notice that there are relatively few self-declared Muslims showing up in your poll statistics.

March 29, 2008 11:36 PM

Muslims Against Sharia said...
"I notice that there are relatively few self-declared Muslims showing up in your poll statistics."

How about the fact that relatively few Muslims have access to the Internet?

March 30, 2008 4:28 PM

Here is another Muslim who does not believe in Khalim. If Muslims do not respect him what kind of movement can there be? Like I said there is none, this is all just false hope. It is time to end all Muslim immigration.

Memories of the Willow Tree said...
This is a CIA/Mossad run web site. No true Muslim would support this double standard racism. Muslims ARE peaceful, you are spreading lies and Islamophobia.

March 31, 2008 2:48 AM

Muslims Against Sharia said...
Willow Tree Stump,

An opinion of a retard who thinks that Islam is a race and that Robert Spencer is a secret Wahhabi is always welcome here. (Our apologies to the retards)

March 31, 2008 7:33 AM

I am going to close out this series with one more part. In it we will play show and tell with the MAS.

Muslims Against Sharia~Exposed! Part II

This is part II of the "Muslims Against Sharia~Exposed!" series. After Khalim left over a dozen foaming at the mouth angry comments on my site late last night, he updated his blog with a MAS in the media post. Which references some other sites which mentioned MAS. But still no word of them taking it to the streets like brave UK ex-Muslim Maryam Namazie, or doing a tour of US Mosques. Him talking to us conservatives does not change a thing.

I have now posted the exchange that lead up to the hate filled Khalim leaving these comments for me. What angered him was that I was pointing out the truth that Islam is a religion and political movement combined. He desperately tried to get it out of a few commenter's minds that Islam is political. He did not like this fact being known and kept avoiding fact after fact while trying to sell us that the Koran is going to be rewritten. Yea, I am sure that this idea will go over big across the Islamic world. Is Khalim the new prophet?

I took out the other commenter's names.

XXXXX XXXXX
XXXXX XXXXX at 7:50am May 14
Islam must not come to the united states, its not a religion its a movement.

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 8:05am May 14
Larry, you're confusing Islam with Islamism

XXXXX XXXXX
XXXXX XXXXX at 8:07am May 14
I don't believe so Khalim they are one in the same.

XXXXX XXXXXX
XXXXX XXXXXX at 8:36am May 14
XXXXX, it is more than a movement... it is a political ideological
CULT...and a dangerous one at that.... shees, talk about a Trojan
Horse!!!! It is already in the United States...it is in the UK...it is
here in Australia.... Our politicians opened the door for them and now
there is no turning back...However, our politicians could stop the
process of them gaining more of a foothold if they only grew some
balls. It is gonna get worse before it gets better I am afraid...

Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 12:37pm May 14
Khalim please, that is Islam.

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 1:35pm May 14
Larry Hobson: "I don't believe so Khalim they are one in the same."

I am a practicing Muslim. I consider Islam my religion. What makes you an expert to claim otherwise?

No true Muslim disregards Sharia law, the Hadiths, and says that the Koran is faulty while wanting to tear dozens of verses out of it. Yet he is being deceptive about political Islam. He is not being straight with us.

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 1:37pm May 14
XXXXX XXXXXX: "[Islam] is a political ideological CULT"

You are confusing Islam with Islamism

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 1:38pm May 14
Christopher Logan: "Khalim please, that is Islam."

Not mine

Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 1:42pm May 14
Khalim, The Koran and the Hadiths are the scriptures of Islam, not
Islamism. Islam has always been political and the term Islamism did
not even exist back in the early days of Islam.

Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 1:49pm May 14
Khalim are you trying to tell us that Islam is not political? History
shows us that Islam is political. Sharia is political. Are you now the
leader of the Islamic world and are going to change this fact?

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 2:34am May 15
"The Koran and the Hadiths are the scriptures of Islam"

The scriptures are faulty - they have been changed along the way

"Islamism did not even exist back in the early days of Islam." (Here Khalim leaves out the part of me saying "term" Islamism.)

And what is the basis for such 'scholarly' statement?

"History shows us that Islam is political"

No. History shows that Islamism is political. Do you understand the
difference between a religion and an ideology?

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 2:37am May 15
This is one scary example of creeping Sharia:
Islam Day in Hawaii.

Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 2:58am May 15
"The scriptures are faulty - they have been changed along the way"

No matter what you say they are the scriptures of Islam and that is
not going to change.
Like I said what you are selling will NEVER fly in the Middle East.

"Islamism did not even exist back in the early days of Islam."

I meant the word "Islamism" did not exist back then, but political
Islam did. So Islam is political.

"No. History shows that Islamism is political. Do you understand the
difference between a religion and an ideology?"

Do you understand that Islam is both combined? Do you understand that
99.9% of the people that I speak that follow the subject Islam know
that?

The caliphate was the only form of governance that had full approval
in traditional Islamic theology, and "is the core political concept of
Sunni Islam, by the consensus of the Muslim majority in the early
centuries."[2]

Caliphate

You never answered if you supported ending Muslim immigration.

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 3:36am May 15
"No matter what you say they are the scriptures of Islam and that is
not going to change."

The scriptures were changed before; they can be changed again.

"I meant the word "Islamism" did not exist back then"

Who cares how it was called.

"but political Islam did. So Islam is political."

That is just as stupid as to claim that since political Judaism
(Zionism) exists, therefore Judaism is political.

"Do you understand that Islam is both combined? Do you understand that
99.9% of the people that I speak that follow the subject Islam know
that?"

I'm sorry that 99.9% of people you speak to are THAT ignorant.

(Apparently all the Islamic leaders who that know that Islam is a political movement, including Mohammad himself are wrong and Khalim the absolute nobody in the Islamic world is correct.)

"The caliphate was the only form of governance that had full approval
in traditional Islamic theology"

Again, you're confusing theology and politics. Even if majority of
Muslims (as our polls indicate) practice Islamism, the ideology
thinking it's Islam, the religion, it does not make those two the
same.

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 3:36am May 15
As for immigration, our position was summarized in Linda's interview
to FrontPage.

I asked Khalim what his stance was, not Linda Ahmeds who is all the way in Sweden.

Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 3:39am May 15
Thanks.

Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 3:58am May 15
"The scriptures were changed before; they can be changed again."

Yea OK....meanwhile sharia is spreading across the world. I will not
hold my breath.

"That is just as stupid as to claim that since political Judaism
(Zionism) exists, therefore Judaism is political."

Zionism is not religious law. Zionists are not calling for Zionists
laws or courts across the world. Invalid comparison. But keep up the
uncalled for attitude.

Zionism is the international Jewish political movement that originally
supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish People in
Palestine.

"I'm sorry that 99.9% of people you speak to are THAT ignorant."

One more time..."The caliphate was the only form of governance that
had full approval in traditional Islamic theology">

Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 4:01am May 15
The Caliph (Arabic: خليفة; /khalīfah/) is the head of state in a
Caliphate, and the title for the leader of the Islamic Ummah, an
Islamic community ruled by the Shari'ah.

Caliphs were often also referred to as Amīr al-Mu'minīn (أمير
المؤمنين) "Commander of the Faithful", Imam al-Ummah, Imam al-Mu'minīn
(إمام المؤمنين), or more colloquially, leader of the Muslims.

An imam (Arabic: إمام plural ائمة A'immah, Persian: امام) is an
Islamic leadership position. Often the leader of a mosque and the
community.

Like I said Islam is religion and politics combined.

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 4:21am May 15
"Zionism is not religious law. Zionists are not calling for Zionists
laws or courts across the world. Invalid comparison."

You're completely missing the point. First Islamism not a religious
law either. Second nobody is claiming that Zionism is even remotely as
appalling as Islamism. However, both are political ideology based on
religion.

"The caliphate was the only form of governance that had full approval
in traditional Islamic theology"

Repeating BS does not make it a fact: the caliphate was the only form
of governance that had full approval in traditional Islamic ideology.

Here we have Khalim blatantly disregarding facts. But I guess one can do that when they are the new prophet of Islam.

Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 4:29am May 15
I never said that Islamism is religious law. I am not missing
anything, I am just not buying what you are selling.

Right is it bull, all because YOU say so...

It is all connected....

When Muhammad died in 632, he left a political organization that was
entirely centered around him. He was a political and military leader
and he was the source of revelation. When political or social
difficulties came up, not only would they center on Muhammad, but
sometimes through revelation be mediated by Allah himself.

Caliph

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 4:41am May 15
"I never said that Islamism is religious law." No, you didn 't. You
implied it by stating "Zionism is not religious law" when making the
point of Zionism being different from Islamism.

"I am not missing anything"

You must be not very good with patterns.

"Muhammad ... was a political and military leader and he was the
source of revelation."

Some other prophets were also political and/or military leaders. Jesus
had his followers, so you could make an argument that he was a
political leader. Certainly there are militant Christians who treat
Christianity as a political ideology rather than religion. Does that
make Christianity a political ideology?

Now Khalim sounds like any other Islamic excuse maker as he tries to bring in Christianity. Although Khalim does speak out against terrorism, it is seen throughout this exchange that he speaks out of both sides of his mouth. As he is flat out lying about Islam not being a religion and a political movement. Please remember that the Council of American Islamic Relations (CAIR) speaks out against terrorism. Does it mean or change anything? No it does not.

Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 5:11am May 15
"You must be not very good with patterns."

Right, another insult.

I am not talking about Christianity. Anyway Christianity has evolved
Islam has not. It was and is a political movement.

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 7:05am May 15
"Right, another insult."

That's not an insult, that's an observation. I'm trying to show that
if you apply your tests consistently to different religions, you'll
see how absurd your claim about Islam is. And instead of trying to
follow the pattern, which is quite simple, really, you're trying to
stick to your misconceptions and getting insulted. Doesn't that remind you of bleeding-heart Liberals who, out of kindness, want to install socialism, but destroy the country in the process? Again, I'm not trying to insult you by comparing you to
socialists, I'm trying to show the absurdity of your position.

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 7:07am May 15
"Christianity has evolved Islam has not."

I could agree with that. However, Islam is 600 years younger. Remember
Christianity 600 years ago? The Inquisition, perhaps?

Maybe Khalim should of pointed out any proof that he has showing that Islam is evolving or reforming. Because I see none, I see the problem getting worse and worse.

Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 11:44am May 15
Khalim, what is absurd is what you are selling. Islam is a religion
and politics combined. It covers all aspects of life. You have given
nothing but your opinion with no backup sources.
You are also known for being a person who is quick to insult.

You bringing up Christianity makes you sound like any other Islamic
excuse maker.

Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 11:58am May 15
The Bible is man's words. Many Muslims believe that Koran is in God's
words and mere man cannot change them.

Sharia is spreading and there is no major "moderate" movement against
it. Islam is not reforming.

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 12:37pm May 15
"It covers all aspects of life."

You do not understand the differences between Islam and Sharia

"You are also known for being a person who is quick to insult."

Suck it up, you whiner. You've been insulting my religion. Do you hear
me bitching and moaning?

Insulting your religion? That does not sound like the words of a "moderate" Muslim. How is pointing out the truth that Islam is part political an insult?

"You bringing up Christianity makes you sound like any other Islamic
excuse maker."

What a bunch of crap. I never claimed that terrorism (or anything
related to it) in the name of Islam is excusable.

"The Bible is man's words."

No shit! I want to see a single Cristian cleric who would agree with that.

"Many Muslims believe that Koran is in God's words and mere man cannot
change them."

Anyone who believes that all of the Koran came from God lacks simple
common sense.

(I am sure that the Muslims in the Middle East will change their beliefs all because Khalim said that they are wrong.)

"Sharia is spreading and there is no major "moderate" movement against
it. Islam is not reforming."

And that makes Islam an ideology?

Christopher Logan
Christopher Logan at 12:51pm May 15
"You do not understand the differences between Islam and Sharia"

They are intertwined, no matter what you a NO ONE in the Islamic world says.

"Suck it up, you whiner. You've been insulting my religion. Do you
hear me bitching and moaning?'

Oh here is the trash talking so called "moderate" Muslim who talks out
of both sides of his mouth. I don't care what insults you, maybe you
can start spewing your vile hate like you do on other sites. You sound
like any other complaining Muslim. You are a fraud, which has been
exposed on other sites. Nice emails that you write people. I am sure
once more people see them they will really take you seriously....

No shit! I want to see a single Cristian cleric who would agree with that.

Obviously many would agree, as they wrote a New Testament.

"Anyone who believes that all of the Koran came from God lacks simple
common sense."

So you go to the Middle East and straighten it all out. Nice knowing you.

Khalim Massoud
Khalim Massoud at 2:13pm May 15
What kind of an demented ass would claim that the Bible is not
considered by Christians to be God's word? All you can do is bitch.
You bring nothing to the table in terms of actual facts. Provide your
scholarly opinions on religion elsewhere.

The basis of this exchange is that Khalim is disregarding facts and he is trying to convince people that Islam itself is not political. To me that comes off as anyother Muslim we see online who is trying to get us to lower our guard on Islam itself.

In the upcoming part III I will post an exchange between an Egyptian Muslim and Khalim. The Egyptian debates like an adult while all Khalim can do is spew hatred.

Protest against Sharia Law in the UK, 7-3-2009~Video

While this news is a bit dated, I had not seen this video until now and I had thought that you guys might be interested in watching it. It is from the One Law for All Campaign against Sharia law in Britain, lead by ex-Muslim Maryam Namazie. I applaud this young woman for her bravery.

Muslims Against Sharia~Exposed!

These two comments were recently left for me on Facebook by the so called "moderate" Muslim Khalim Massoud. Khalim is the president of the Muslims Against Sharia organization. Recently he has been exposed on several sites for the fraud that he is and I will continue to expose him here over the next week or so.

Khalim wrote on your Wall:

"Chris is a degenerate who claims that Christians do not consider the Bible God's word. Try to have an intelligent discussion with this kind of moron."

Khalim also commented on his link:

"What kind of an demented ass would claim that the Bible is not considered by Christians to be God's word? All you can do is bitch. You bring nothing to the table in terms of actual facts. Provide your scholarly opinions on religion elsewhere."

After the hate filled Khalim posted these comments he blocked me from his thread, so I could not respond to him. But I saw where all this was heading earlier and saved all the email notifications from Facebook which shows his posts and a fellow Facebook member was kind enough to cut and past the exchange for me.

I never stated that Christians do not consider the Bible the word of God. Here is what I said.... "The Bible is man's words." (The funny part is that when I said this, Khalim agreed with me.) My point was that Christianity has evolved and Islam cannot reform because the Koran is supposed to be the literal word's of Allah. The Bible is God-breathed/God-inspired, which means that God used the writers of the Bible to tell the story with each of their own perspective....with the exception of the 10 Commandments, which Moses is said to have delivered directly from God. (If any Christians are offended, I do apologize. As I am pro-Christianity. But this is not what angered Khalim, it was my comments about Islam, which will be shown later. Khalim has a habit of running his foul mouth, which will also be shown later.)


Here is the start of a multi-part series which lead up to this point.


As Islam continues to march across the West as a seemingly unstoppable force most non-Muslim Westerners are clinging to the slim hope that some form of "moderate" Islam comes to the rescue. Personally I think that it is never going to happen. Although there is one organization that I wanted to believe in, but I do not anymore. That organization is called "Muslims Against Sharia".

Around the time of the Swift Plant controversy, MAS started to leave some comments on my site.

This was our exchange in the
"Tancredo Proposes Anti-Sharia Bill" article.

Muslims Against Sharia said...
Muslims Against Sharia praise Congressman Tancredo's initiative. We advocated similar measures in the past and fully support "Gihad Prevention Act"
"Any person from a country where a substantial part of the population is pro-Sharia should not be allowed in the West, not only as an immigrant, but even as a visitor with a few exceptions, i.e., political asylum or as a diplomat etc. ... Every legal immigrant should be allowed to stay only if he/she did not display desire to establish a Sharia state in a host country. Any naturalized citizen who displays a desire to establish a Sharia state in a host country should have his/her citizenship revoked and promptly deported. I think the latter two groups is where the real danger lies." Linda Ahmed, FrontPage Magazine, July 24, 2008

For the record Linda Ahmed is in Sweden.

"Anyone who proclaims Islamic extremist views should be tried for sedition, since we are at war with radical Islam, or at the very least, promptly deported." Khalim Massoud, FrontPage Magazine, September 9, 2008

MAS Tancredo Anti-sharia measure. September 21, 2008 12:34 PM

Christopher Logan said...
Muslims against Sharia,
Did your organization ever go up against CAIR? September 21, 2008 7:03 PM

Muslims Against Sharia said...
Christopher Logan,

We often expose CAIR's true agenda on our blog, CAIR September 22, 2008 8:04 AM

Christopher Logan said...
MAS,
Thanks I will check that out. What is your groups stance on the Swift Plant issue? Personally I think that no religion should get catered to in that way. September 22, 2008 11:30 AM

Muslims Against Sharia said...
Our stand on a Swift plant issue. September 22, 2008 12:46 PM

Christopher Logan said...
MAS,
I see that you gave Swift your no sharia award. But there is no statement against the Muslims who were imposing there. It would of been great if your group would of went to the demonstrations to talk to those Muslims. September 22, 2008 12:59 PM

Muslims Against Sharia said...
We don't do this type of thing for security reasons. September 22, 2008 1:05 PM

Christopher Logan said...
It would get your group a lot of support from non-Muslims. Because if (moderate) Muslims do not start countering those who want to impose Sharia on us all, nothing will change.

September 22, 2008 1:13 PM

Muslims Against Sharia said...
"It would get your group a lot of support from non-Muslims."

Yeah, but it may also get us killed. Polls. September 22, 2008 10:04 PM

To me this is just an excuse, as Salman Rushdie makes public appearances. (Pictured:Salman Rushdie having a discussion with Emory University students.)

I doubt very much that Khalim is anywhere near the target that Mr. Rushdie is.

Christopher Logan said...
MAS

You think that would happen in America? For instance if your organization went and counter demonstrated against the Muslims there. Because if secular Muslims who do not want to impose on non-Muslims do not start countering Sharia loving Muslims, moderate Muslims will never take control of the Islamic world.

Unless of course that you see another way. September 22, 2008 10:37 PM

MAS never responded to my last post. Common sense tells us that "moderate" Muslims need to have dialogue with sharia loving Muslims if anything is to change. Them posting their picture "award" means and changes absolutely nothing. Also if MAS is not willing to engage other Muslims, how will they rally other Muslims to their "cause"? From this point on I had my doubts about MAS. The first statement under the goals of the MAS is this.

OUR GOALS

To educate Muslims about dangers presented by Islamic religious texts and why Islam must be reformed.

Apparently this is a lie as they clearly admitted that they will not do this. I have searched their site and done a Google search. The results have been that I have not been able to find one link proving that they have given a lecture at any University or Mosque. I have also not been able to find them posting on Islamic sites trying to educate Muslims as they state as their #1 goal.

The truth is that them posting news articles changes nothing. It is a bit strange that they hang around conservative sites all the time but not on Islamic ones or giving speeches. Which leads me to believe that they might be in this for the donations as they are playing off of the hope that many have. The hope that "moderate" Muslims have finally taken a strong stand. If they are not going to hit the streets to engage other Muslims, there is obviously no reason to donate to them.

In the upcoming segments of this series, with the help of a criminal investigator who has 17+ years experience in the field, who has done local, state and federal investigations I will show more of the hate filled personality of Khalim and his flat out lies.
(For the record the investigator is not Bill Warner who has also exposed MAS recently.)