We constantly hear from Muslims that the Koran is being misinterpreted, when asked why so many Muslims are using the Koran to justify their actions. Well for arguments sake lets just look at modern history, the Barbary Coast Wars.
During the year 1786 Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to London to speak with Tripoli's Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman. Jefferson and Adams asked the Ambassador
how can they make war on nations that have done nothing to them? The Ambassador replied that "It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every Muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise. He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once".
So even back then Muslims were using the Koran to justify their violent actions. My question is this, if Muslims that are saying the Koran is being misinterpreted are correct, then how come in over 200 years they have not been able to clear up this misunderstanding with in the Islamic world? Or is it just that they know that the Koran is not being misinterpreted and that they are just being dishonest with us?
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Your conclusion is cute, but the citation of the Quran as justifiction by the Barbary Pirates is even more telling. At the time the Barbary Pirates acknowledged the overlordship of the Ottoman Sultan, who was also the Caliph, and as such the authoritative interpreter of Islam for Sunnis. The citation of the Quran as justification for piracy (maritime terrorism) is thus provably in accord with the authoritative Sunni interpretation of the Quran.
When it comes to Jihad,razzia & ghazwat; to terrorism & genocide, there is no effective difference between
Sunni & Shi'ia.
All of the major schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree on the matter of Jihad.
FOMI
has enough quotes from Islamic legal scholars to make you dizzy. Read them and curse Islam!
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 386 confirms what the Ambassador told Jefferson:
Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:-- "Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master."
If any damn doubt remains, then look up my blog post: ROPMA and follow each of the tafsir links. Read them all and learn what Allah's cursed book really means.
Thanks guy for reaffirming the truth.
The Koran is a book written to justify Mohammed's criminal enterprises.
How anybody with a working brain can believe that garbage is beyond me.
Yet we have about 1.2 billion Muslims who are brainwashed into believing that Koranic garbage.
Islam is an extreme danger to the peace and welfare of Mankind and must be destroyed.
Swedish Steel
Hey Swedish Steel,
I agree 100%. How have you been?
This tells the story---and its all history, just history, historical fact. "Those who forget are doomed to repeat" Who said that?
Dear Chris, A Jacksonian blog got the whole erudite and shocking facts regards the Barbary Pirates, and that current Islamist freaks are also pirates and should be treated as such. Here's my take and links to Jacksonian. Thanks for this.
And yes, they have always been this way as Islam was founded entirely, like Communism, by murder, banditry, lies, envy, spite and madness.
Islam has nothing to offer but "the filth of Islam" itself as Christopher Hitchens has said. Islam is the abyss. I prefer to look into it, understand it and then fill in that bleak hole, before it destroys all we are.
Even if to fill that sickening pit, we must bring the mountain of truth and crushing victory to mad Mohammad. Yes, Islam must be destroyed, sooner or later. It does and always has after all, plotted and planned to murder us all, including Islam's largest pool of victims being other Muslims.
Colonel Neville.
http://colonelrobertneville.blogspot.com/2008/07/i-said-hang-them-from-yard-arm-mr.html
So much for "extremist Islam" being a reaction to the founding of the modern nation of Israel and to the "plight" of disenfranchised Pseudostinians!
Sadly, most American textbooks gloss over the ideological facts about the motivation of the Barbary Pirates.
Good post.
In the end, it will come down to the sad fact. It will be either Islam's way of life or the West's way of life.
If we wish to preserve our way of life and not end up as a fallen nation in the fallen west, then in the end it will come down to confrontation.
A conflict between the west and wicked and savage Islam. There will be no way around it.
Joan
colonel neville,
Great post, Islam destroys everything in its path and I will check out that link.
AOW,
That is why I posted it. To show that the problem has been going on long before we were in the Middle East or supported Israel. Joan has hit nail on the head, it will either be their way of life or ours.
For a scholarly and detailed history of these events and their immediate relevance please consider watching the excellent movie 'Islam: what the west needs to know' with interviews of bat Ye'or and Walid Shoebat former PLO terrorist and many others including historians. It can be purchased at amazon.com and watched online at google videos as well as on www.vladtepesblog.com on the front page. It's well worth the time. Also the movie Farewell Israel' is superb although very long and detailed.
Thanks Vlad.
I will be checking out your site.
I have seen parts of the What the West Needs to Know. It looks like a very informative movie.
I encourage all readers to view it.
O.K. And now, what are we going to do about the pirates of today?
Those that invade other nations with the sole purpose of plundering their natural resources.
Yes, the US and its sidekicks.
Nice diversionary tactics, but personally I think we should be more concerned about the piracy that is taking place now.
And so far it has worked well on
the international version of semilitterate rednecs and hillbillies.
1.Today's pirates are still Muslims.
U.S. Navy helps ship battle pirates off Somalia
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2007-10-30-somalia-pirates_N.htm
2.No one but Iraq controls their oil and money.
U.S. Officials Defend Iraq's Oil Surplus
Could Have Oil-Fed Budget Surplus Of $79 Billion, But They're Still Rebuilding With U.S. Dollars
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/06/world/main4326313.shtml
3.This blog was not created to take the focus off of the Iraq war as I have already stated that I think the war was a mistake. Nation building with Muslims does not work as all that is created are Islamic countries. (No offense to the coalition troops, but no one can force people to change if they do not want to.)
4.Your comment is just an attempted diversionary tactic, to get the focus off of Islam. It will not work.
5.No need for the childish remarks.
By the U.S and its sidekicks you must be referring to the U.K, would that also be the country you have chosen to abandom your Muslim nation for and live in the state benefit funded lifestyle that you have become used to ?
The nation that has taken you and your fellow Muslims in to live under the banner of freedom and democracy that you must want to be in the U.K also the U.S
As the administrator says, if you wish to find a pro muslim propaganda site then you will not have to look far, if you want to go back to the land you came from you are welcome to do so. Your childishness is getting tiresome.
Joan
Well, well, well! So interesting!
My new questions for persons is- What was the war of 1805, and what name, nick (sorry) name did our U. S. Marines aquire at that time? Dah? Within the last 6 months I have learned about this. Brad Thor, fiction writer, based on fact, was threatened not to publish. Even death threats! So, I bought the book, being courious of nature in the last years of old age........ He did an excellent job. THE LAST PATRIOT. And this is not the only source of information. Thank you for your work .......and God bless our leathernecks, as they learned to wrap their necks in leather as they fought this war of 1805. We won then, and will we, now? Lack of education of our history may kill us. If those that sent arms to Afganistan had read history of 1805,First!!!, the help to fight the Russians would have never happened. So, here we are today...Please see the censored movie of the last 2 years, Obsession, and see Shoebat.com Hero's surely!! God bless them, one and all......those that fight to keep our consitution of this mighty country........ Sis....
Thanks for dropping by.
Unfortunately so many of our liberal teachers do not care about teaching the truth and American patriotism. All they care about is pushing their agenda on to the youth of our country.
These pirates are Muslims and they are merely TRYING to fallow some Islamic teachings. Learn more about the person and see how screwed up are the believes of the person VS the believes of all Islamic Scriptures and books.
You can't pick and chose versions and Hadith and say this is what Islam is all about. If i picked and chose verses from other religious scriptures, i would surly find crazy stuff. But if you look at all of the religion regardless of the religion, you will surly get a different understanding.
First, Student, read yer Koran, with emphasis on Surahs 2,4,5,8,9,33,47,48 & 61. Read all of Bukhari's Books of Jihad, Khumus & Expedition. Read all of Sahih Muslim's Book of Jihad. Read all of Abu Dawud's book of Jihad. As a reinforcement, read Ch. 234 of Book 11 of Riyad us-Salaheen.
Last & most important, Read Book O, Chapter 9 of Reliance of the Traveller.
What did Allah say? What did Moe do? What did the rightly guided Caliphs do? What Umar did is recorded in Bukhari 4.53.386 Compare what the Muslim general said to the Persian general to what Tripoli's Ambassador said to Jefferson in Wikipedia's article on the Barbary Wars.
In the matter of interpretation of scripture: Ibn Kathir's Tafsir agrees with the prima facie meaning of the translated text. Read my blog post ROPMA.
Student,
No other religion is on a worldwide jihad. Islam calls for the death or dominance of non-Muslims. That is what matters as that is what Muslims are trying to accomlish across the world. No other religion has preachers of hate across the world inciting people against other religions. Your comparison is not valid.
Thanks Ben.
Student you also missed the entire point of the article. Which is that Islamic terrorism has been going on for centuries, so those that blame the US for it are not correct.
The doctrine of Takkiya is the Muslim "ends justifies the means" philosophy. It permits lying, cheating, stealing, subversion; whatever it takes to accomplish the purpose of promoting Islam.
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Funny. It was in a treaty with Tripoli against those pirates that we affirmed that the United States was not a Christian nation. And we've been allies with that part of the world ever since.
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