tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post1966728078941253555..comments2024-03-25T01:11:02.016-07:00Comments on Islam in Action: Michigan Muslims Attack Freedom of SpeechChristopher Loganhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17735020058267112272noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-14926384064051199362011-10-21T15:11:56.631-07:002011-10-21T15:11:56.631-07:00Little doubt, the dude is totally just.Little doubt, the dude is totally just.www.cordoba-3d.comhttp://www.cordoba-3d.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-65952080385765615342011-10-07T11:04:34.924-07:002011-10-07T11:04:34.924-07:00I saw so much useful data in this post!I saw so much useful data in this post!muebles en palenciahttp://www.muebles-en-palencia.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-8261376883467553222011-07-19T15:02:35.060-07:002011-07-19T15:02:35.060-07:00Gosh, there's a lot of helpful material above!...Gosh, there's a lot of helpful material above!www.muebles.plhttp://www.muebles.plnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-18349061956189595112008-09-13T06:28:00.000-07:002008-09-13T06:28:00.000-07:00The basic problem with Islam is it hasn't evolved ...The basic problem with Islam is it hasn't evolved the way Christianity and Judaism have. Islam is stuck, somewhere in the Middle ages, or maybe even further back than that. The Imams need to wake up and smell the capucino. We're in the 21st century now, they need to realize that and join the rest of the world.Big Gay Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17335535716469213577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-73344535203524324082008-08-20T15:30:00.000-07:002008-08-20T15:30:00.000-07:00Islam is a violent political movement shrouded in ...Islam is a violent political movement shrouded in so-called religiosity.<BR/><BR/>I know an Egyptian doctor, a Coptic Christian, who tells me of the discrimmination he's had in hospitals in which there were Muslim MDs, including the one in our local town.<BR/><BR/>Why? <BR/><BR/>Because he said that they know that he knows who and what Islam really is, given that he was raised and attended college in Egypt.<BR/><BR/>It's not just the Islamofascists who must be stopped, it's this cancer of Islam that spreads. <BR/><BR/>If they wish to enjoy the freedoms of our country, then so be it, if they can fit into them.<BR/><BR/>If not, they can return to whence they came. Now. <BR/><BR/>And this is precisely one reason that someone such as Barack Obama, or Barry Soetoro, or whatever his name is, is the wrong choice, should he actually be nominated. <BR/><BR/>It's not that I think he is Muslim. I dont' know. But I also don't think he's more than a CINO, a Christian in name only, given his all-paths-lead-to-God statement and championship infanticide. <BR/><BR/>It's that I don't see that he has the steel in his spine, or what passes for a spine in him, to stand up for the majority.<BR/><BR/>He, like liberals, Marxists and Demockacrats in Congress, lack the will to do anything but capitulate freedom.CKAinRedStateUSAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11051384804727827611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-46501226805854134992008-08-19T23:27:00.000-07:002008-08-19T23:27:00.000-07:00............. Deal withthe subject not variables.(...<I> ............. Deal with<BR/>the subject not variables.(I know about them too.) This isn't a theoretical analysis. It's real life---our way of life & we're<BR/>ready to defend it,any way we can.</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>IDawn - extremely well put!!! You speak for many of us who know what they are up to & how they operate.<BR/><BR/>cclfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-58832259170118279782008-08-19T22:20:00.000-07:002008-08-19T22:20:00.000-07:00Anonymous(the "logical" thinker one) it&...Anonymous(the "logical" thinker one) it's obivious the obfuscation of your argument that you don't want to discuss Islam & the trouble<BR/>& horror SOME Muslims are creating<BR/>( how many bombers does it take) but we were discussing "Creeping <BR/>Sharia"----pushing,pushing.Nobody should say anything against Islam.<BR/>Just like Islamic countries.....OFF WITH THEIR HEADS! But I digress--you are talking variables like the human condition, testosterone,etc. Generalities. Sure humans in general are prone to violance thats<BR/>true so maybe that's it.Just good ol' human nature-------except the bomb throwers are Muslims lately<BR/>The civilians-killers are Muslims<BR/>AND THEY say they are doing it in<BR/>the name of Mohammad & Islam---just<BR/>doing what their religion tells them to do. The Bible says "An <BR/>eye for an eye.." but do you see<BR/>any Jews or Christians poking out eyes?(their human too) Deal with<BR/>the subject not variables.(I know about them too.) This isn't a theoretical analysis. It's real life---our way of life & we're<BR/>ready to defend it,any way we can.<BR/> IDAWNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-29958307347516903092008-08-19T21:50:00.000-07:002008-08-19T21:50:00.000-07:00If I said that zionists were trying to take over t...<I>If I said that zionists were trying to take over the world, I would be called a nut and a conspiracy theorists. But saying Muslims, or certain Muslims, is apparently kosher in today's media.</I><BR/><BR/>Ok, seems you are genuinely trying to make sense of it all and appears you are merely not very specialized in islamism (the ism is the key). Casual observation of it does not get close to the core problem nor close to the elements driving the current push by islam for power.<BR/><BR/>1st, I must say that "Awareness of Islamism" is definitely NOT kosher or even very common in the "media", at least for sure is almost taboo in the MainStream Media, digustingly so. While you may interpret some casual references to islam as "a lot", what we find in the MSM is only the tip of the iceberg - the meat, they are terrified to touch on. <BR/><BR/>My point is that those of us who deliberately dig deep, not just hear the "tip" in the media, do find it a great and rapidly growing danger .... already having success at limiting free speech even right in small town US of A yet.<BR/><BR/>Did you read the current news of this happening right in the UN, that criticizing islam is not allowed???? That news should be catastrophic to all of us in the West, liberals or consrves. <BR/><BR/>Above someone said that terrorism may not even be the greatest danger from it. This is correct, as by stealth islamism is making great strides to cool our awareness venues ..... "muzzling" is not an exageration. <BR/><BR/>Islamism has come alive in the past 2 decades, first Sh'ia (14 % of islam) "12verism" / (Armageddonism to be exact)revival scared the crap out of the Sunnis such that Sunnis (85% of islam) have gone into high gear everywhere in the world. It is my belief, strong belief, that this whole thing is NOT about us at all, rather about an inter-islam fight for power / control, and both sides are merely using us & Israel as excuses to fire up their own gang to command islam. <BR/><BR/>May I respectfully suggest a very appropos book, "The Sh'ia Revival" by Vali Nasr wherin an Iranian clearly explains the entire evolution of what is really transpiring here, starting as of 1979 when the shah fell to the religios zealots of 12verism. We have so much to learn and our pathetic leaders are letting us down daily, mainly because they do not clearly understand their enemy.<BR/><BR/>Gotta run for the moment, will try to get back to provide more on how the Sh'ia Armageddonists are driving the Sunnis, Al Q & the Muslim Brotherhood itself <BR/><BR/>Please allow there is much to this islamist thingy below the water, the tip of which is all we get to see unless we search for it all <BR/><BR/>chow for the moment, ....cclfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-15081642229687298142008-08-19T20:44:00.000-07:002008-08-19T20:44:00.000-07:00Anonymous said... 1.Islam allows lying.2.Islam cal...Anonymous said... <BR/>1.Islam allows lying.<BR/>2.Islam calls for the extortion of non-Muslims.<BR/>2.Islam calls of the killing of non-Muslims.<BR/>4.Islam calls for the dominance of non-Muslims.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Ummm... so? And what does that have to do with Islam?<BR/><BR/><BR/>This is the dumbest liberal logic that I have ever seen. Talk about trying to change the focus.<BR/><BR/>LindaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-59416462816693929652008-08-19T20:33:00.000-07:002008-08-19T20:33:00.000-07:00Bottom line is Muslims are causing problems across...Bottom line is Muslims are causing problems across the world and trying to force their way of life on non-Muslims across the world.<BR/>Let them stay where they belong in Islamic countries.Christopher Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17735020058267112272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-53576440497031594442008-08-19T20:29:00.000-07:002008-08-19T20:29:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Christopher Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17735020058267112272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-47979146192230409502008-08-19T20:27:00.000-07:002008-08-19T20:27:00.000-07:00What can I tell you, I do not respect what liberal...What can I tell you, I do not respect what liberal professors teach these days. You have not shown that I am wrong....not even close. I guess their behaviour is just a coincidence with their prophet being a war monger.<BR/><BR/>No one can prove anything to someone like you who will just talk in circles and COMPLELTY IGNORE that MUSLIMS cite their scriptures to justify their violence. The world has awoken to the ugly truth about Islam and whether you like it or not, our voice is getting louder and louder.<BR/><BR/>So are you a Muslim?Christopher Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17735020058267112272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-34478826766948029792008-08-19T20:15:00.000-07:002008-08-19T20:15:00.000-07:00Saying lose the liberal elitist attitude is not na...<I>Saying lose the liberal elitist attitude is not name calling.</I><BR/><BR/>You're doing it again. You're basically changing or taking what I said out of context so that imply that I said something which I originally didn't. I did not specifically say that, that statement was name calling. I was referring to your attack on my "liberal" education. Use some common sense.<BR/><BR/>And about the opinion part - WRONG.<BR/>I have shown through logic that correlation is not causation and that all you are doing is showing the absolute worst in Islam without showing that it is the cause of the worst that has come out of such violence that is often associated now a days to Islam.<BR/>You still have not discounted other variables/causes that may have caused such violence, and therefore your assertion is not logically proven.<BR/>All you do, is bring up details about what what was said in the Koran and other texts without first proving the assertion that Islam is the root cause of such violence. It's like the IRS saying you have to pay taxes because if you don't, we will give you more penalties. Regardless of whether or not there is an actual law that requires you to pay taxes on earned income.<BR/>And until you prove such an assertion, it doesn't matter how many ugly things you show to the world that are written in the Koran - they aren't proof that they are the root cause of such violence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-6745437137947409762008-08-19T20:14:00.000-07:002008-08-19T20:14:00.000-07:00The Koran tells Muslims to follow the actions of M...The Koran tells Muslims to follow the actions of Mohammad, who was a murderer, looter and pedophile.<BR/>The problem is that all of these actions go against the laws of the Western world.<BR/><BR/>uswa hasana means excellent model of conduct , meaning Mohammad's actions should be followed. <BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>http://quranicteachings.co.uk/uswa-e-hasana.htmChristopher Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17735020058267112272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-67189763615579951092008-08-19T19:54:00.000-07:002008-08-19T19:54:00.000-07:00Saying lose the liberal elitist attitude is not na...Saying lose the liberal elitist attitude is not name calling.<BR/>There is nothing to refute as you have given NOTHING but opinion. Muslims citing their scriptures is the proof that Islam is the problem. Why are you so defensive of Islam, are you a Muslim? Lets not go into the interpretation argument. Because Mohammad himself was a terrorist. Are you saying that he misinterpreted the religion he invented? Islamic scriptures prove this.<BR/><BR/>http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2008/05/mo-who-were-you-terrorist-thats-who.html<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Your goal of trying to get people to back off of Islam is not working.<BR/><BR/>Based on Koranic Verses, Interpretations, and Traditions, Muslim Clerics State: The Jews Are the Descendants of Apes, Pigs, And Other Animals<BR/>By: Aluma Solnick <BR/>Introduction <BR/>Depicting Jews – and sometimes also Zionists – as "the descendants of apes and pigs" is extremely widespread today in public discourse in the Arab and Islamic worlds. <BR/><BR/>For example, in a weekly sermon in April 2002, Al-Azhar Sheikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, the highest-ranking cleric in the Sunni Muslim world, called the Jews "the enemies of Allah, descendants of apes and pigs."[1] <BR/><BR/>In one of his sermons, Saudi sheikh Abd Al-Rahman Al-Sudayyis, imam and preacher at the Al-Haraam mosque – the most important mosque in Mecca – beseeched Allah to annihilate the Jews. He also urged the Arabs to give up peace initiatives with them because they are "the scum of the human race, the rats of the world, the violators of pacts and agreements, the murderers of the prophets, and the offspring of apes and pigs."[2] <BR/><BR/>"Read history," called Al-Sudayyis in another sermon, "and you will understand that the Jews of yesterday are the evil fathers of the Jews of today, who are evil offspring, infidels, distorters of [others'] words, calf-worshippers, prophet-murderers, prophecy-deniers... the scum of the human race 'whom Allah cursed and turned into apes and pigs...' These are the Jews, an ongoing continuum of deceit, obstinacy, licentiousness, evil, and corruption..."[3] <BR/><BR/>In a sermon at the Said Al-Jandoul mosque in Al-Taif, Saudi sheikh Ba'd bin Abdallah Al-Ajameh Al-Ghamidi explained that "the qualities of the Jews" were present at all times and in all places: "The current behavior of the brothers of apes and pigs, their treachery, violation of agreements, and defiling of holy places... is connected with the deeds of their forefathers during the early period of Islam – which proves the great similarity between all the Jews living today and the Jews who lived at the dawn of Islam."[4] <BR/><BR/>In an August 2001 sermon, Sheikh Ibrahim Madhi, Palestinian Authority official and imam of the Sheikh Ijlin mosque, Gaza City's main mosque, called on the Palestinian people to forget their internal disagreements and turn all weapons against Jews: "lances must be directed at the Jews, the enemies of Allah, the nation accursed in Allah's book. Allah described [them] as apes and pigs, calf-worshipers, idol-worshippers..."[5] <BR/><BR/>http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Area=sr&ID=SR01102<BR/><BR/><BR/>009.029 <BR/>YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. <BR/>PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low. <BR/>SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. <BR/><BR/> <BR/>http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html<BR/><BR/>Islamic terrorists are driven by the ideology of Islam, no matter how you want to spin it.Christopher Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17735020058267112272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-22683339181124920372008-08-19T19:30:00.000-07:002008-08-19T19:30:00.000-07:00"I never said that everyone here has motive but it...<I>"I never said that everyone here has motive but it is obvious that you do.</I><BR/><BR/>I never said that you did. Please re-read what I wrote. And yes, everybody here does have a motive - whether to disprove me wrong, bash islam, bash the bashers, just to annoy, etc etc...<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Most of your post goes back into your thousand shades of grey area, where no conclusion is ever reached. I really do not care what you were taught by liberal professors, as you are not the world decision maker on what is valid and what is not. So lose the liberal elitist attitude.</I><BR/><BR/>There you go.. start name calling. I knew it would happen. You can't refute my arguments so you start attacking my education. And no, it doesn't matter what the political beliefs of my professors were, or what any are - as "correlation is on the same thing as causation", is a basic, non-political, precept of logic.<BR/><BR/><I>I never said that Islam was the cause of all the worlds violence, but it is responsible for a lot of it.</I><BR/><BR/>I never said that you said that. The original post from you was bashing the evils caused by Islam, not all evils are caused by Islam. Two different arguments.<BR/><BR/><I>Violence is not the only problem that Islam brings to the world. Political Islam is even more dangerous to the freedoms of the West then potential suicide bombers are. There is a bottom line here. Muslims communities across the world continually show us on a daily basis that the two worlds do not mix. It is time to end Muslim immigration.</I><BR/><BR/>I have no problems ending immigration. That is a personal decision to be made by each country and involves many factors that are beyond the scope of this discussion. There are many other evils around the world that are caused by things other than Islam and I would argue are a greater threat than Islam. I would argue that a nuclear war by the US and Russia right now is a greater threat than what Islam is doing now. But a lot of this is just opinion, so not worth really arguing over since it really isn't logic.<BR/>Islam is not the problem. How people use it and interpret it might be. But if that is the case, then getting rid of Islam is not going to solve the problem. If you want to get rid of Islamic violence, then you need to stop lying to yourself and the world and stop the true causes of violence. The causes are often boiled down to money, power, and land. Religion and politics are just used as an excuse for such behavior - not usually the cause of it. And no, I don't mean making stuff up and putting words in other people's mouths claiming they "hate our freedoms" or what to establish a caliphate.<BR/>If I said that zionists were trying to take over the world, I would be called a nut and a conspiracy theorists. But saying Muslims, or certain Muslims, is apparently kosher in today's media.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-7471629356274277032008-08-19T19:25:00.000-07:002008-08-19T19:25:00.000-07:00Ayatollah KhomeiniKhomeini accordingly delivered n...Ayatollah Khomeini<BR/><BR/>Khomeini accordingly delivered notorious rebuke to the Islam-is-a-religion-of-peace crowd: “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies].... Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur’anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”Christopher Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17735020058267112272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-62862572492590414832008-08-19T19:00:00.000-07:002008-08-19T19:00:00.000-07:00I never said that everyone here has motive but it...I never said that everyone here has motive but it is obvious that you do. Most of your post goes back into your thousand shades of grey area, where no conclusion is ever reached. I really do not care what you were taught by liberal professors, as you are not the world decision maker on what is valid and what is not. So lose the liberal elitist attitude. I never said that Islam was the cause of all the worlds violence, but it is responsible for a lot of it. Violence is not the only problem that Islam brings to the world. Political Islam is even more dangerous to the freedoms of the West then potential suicide bombers are. There is a bottom line here. Muslims communities across the world continually show us on a daily basis that the two worlds do not mix. It is time to end Muslim immigration.<BR/><BR/>BTW, all your posts have concluded nothing, but a thousand shades of grey in your attempt to get the focus off of Islam. Them imposing, intimidating and killing in the name of their religion is very clear to those that live in the real world.Christopher Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17735020058267112272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-53848867513788356062008-08-19T18:18:00.000-07:002008-08-19T18:18:00.000-07:00It is hard to get a point across to someone who ju...<I>It is hard to get a point across to someone who just talks in circles and you obviously do have a motive, so save the con.</I><BR/><BR/>Everybody who posts here has a motive. By that logic, everybody's posts here would be invalid.<BR/>Having a motive has nothing to do with the argument as a measure of its trueness or falsehood. The reason why that doesn't stand up to logic is that you can basically refute any argument that a person gives because you can claim that the poster has a motive. Even simple arguments such as 2+2=4 could be refuted if having a motive as an excuse against an argument was considered valid.<BR/><BR/>A lot of things make people do crazy things - the moon, alcohol, religion, lack of religion, food, work.. just about almost anything you can think of basically. Correlation is not the same thing as causation. You learn that in logic 101. If you can totally refute every single instance of every other variable that could be causing the "evils" with what you associate with Islam, then you could argue via logic that Islam was the cause of those evils. Otherwise, if you tried to write a paper in a basic philosophy class (and believe me, I have taken a college course philosophy class on what types of arguments were not valid and were. But you don't college to figure this out if you just look it up on the web or read a few books.) saying that Islam was the cause of all the violence in the world without eliminating other evidence and assumptions, you would not get a passing grade in the class.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-51304497746648838212008-08-19T17:33:00.000-07:002008-08-19T17:33:00.000-07:00Anonymous said... 1.Islam allows lying.2.Islam cal...Anonymous said... <BR/>1.Islam allows lying.<BR/>2.Islam calls for the extortion of non-Muslims.<BR/>2.Islam calls of the killing of non-Muslims.<BR/>4.Islam calls for the dominance of non-Muslims.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Ummm... so? And what does that have to do with Islam?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>This might be the most illogical thing that I have ever read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-7405243816039255452008-08-19T17:30:00.000-07:002008-08-19T17:30:00.000-07:00It is hard to get a point across to someone who ju...It is hard to get a point across to someone who just talks in circles and you obviously do have a motive, so save the con. According to Muslims the Koran is in God's words and mere man cannot change them. The Koran forms millions of Muslims and that is a fact. But I see you need to live in the thousand shades of gray area. This way you never have to face the harsh reality about Islam.<BR/>Islam has always been a problem and the only reason people are speaking out against it now, is because people have finally done rearch on Islam.<BR/><BR/>The Koran drives them like Mein Kemp drove the Nazis. This is very logical.<BR/><BR/>As for Islamic countries, sure their are differences in them. But the Islamic world has one thing in common and that is the persecution of Christians and Jews in their countries. The Islamic world and Islam are no friend to the freedoms of the West.Christopher Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17735020058267112272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-79987935190605196182008-08-19T17:08:00.000-07:002008-08-19T17:08:00.000-07:00"That is a fact, so why would I associate the inju...<I>"That is a fact, so why would I associate the injustices with another variable? Oh, I forgot this was your attempt to get the focus off of Islam...."</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, that's right, put a motive when you can't argue that point off.<BR/>Guess, who wrote the Koran? Men did. Men with testosterone. Men who subjecated and raped women. It was testosterone that created the problem. See that variable? No of course you don't. You only see just Islam - pure black and white. When the world is so much more complex than that.<BR/>Notice that "Islam" became only a problem recently. In the 1960's we didn't have all this BS rules about boarding planes etc. And when terrorists acts did occur in the 70's, we blamed the countries, not the religion. But no, "countries" is just another variable...<BR/><BR/>And to the other anonymous poster.. if religion makes the individual, then why is Islam so different in different countries? Why is Islam in lebanon so liberal when compared to saudi arabia? Why is christianity now different than it was during the middle ages when it was much more strict? It is people interpretation of the religion, and how they view it in that role for society, that causes the problem.<BR/>That is what I mean that people make the religion. But obviously you need examples to see that. Or maybe you just wanted to look at the argument and point at foibles in it. I don't know.<BR/><BR/>Don't bother arguing unless you're going to start ad homoning, or assigning motive, ignoring my points, or calling me a "liberal". Cause you aren't going to win via logic over an argument that doesn't have its legs on right in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-68567938900522396132008-08-19T16:20:00.000-07:002008-08-19T16:20:00.000-07:00Anonymous said, People make the religion, not the...Anonymous said, <BR/><BR/><BR/>People make the religion, not the reverse. Religion influences the people. Look at the the islam in lebanon and indonesia for example, and look at it in saudi arabia, and you will see similarities and many differences between each. <BR/><BR/><BR/>The religion obviously makes the people. One only has to look at Islamic countries to see that. Your circular talk amounts to a big nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-25617419335606938302008-08-19T16:15:00.000-07:002008-08-19T16:15:00.000-07:00Those points I brought up have everything to do wi...Those points I brought up have everything to do with Islam. They define Islam and I do not live in the lets excuse one act of bad behaviour by pointing out another act of bad behaviour world. The scriptures of Islam inspire Muslims to behave the way they do.<BR/>That is a fact, so why would I associate the injustices with another variable? Oh, I forgot this was your attempt to get the focus off of Islam....Christopher Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17735020058267112272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3742875466047705803.post-20934487850422333472008-08-19T15:56:00.000-07:002008-08-19T15:56:00.000-07:001.Islam allows lying.2.Islam calls for the extorti...<I>1.Islam allows lying.<BR/>2.Islam calls for the extortion of non-Muslims.<BR/>2.Islam calls of the killing of non-Muslims.<BR/>4.Islam calls for the dominance of non-Muslims.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Ummm... so? And what does that have to do with Islam? People lie regardless of their religion. People extort other people whether or not it is sanctioned by religion or not. The same is true for killing. As for #4, you could argue that certain people of certain races have that outlook on other people. Like the Japanese people or even Jewish people (who if they took they're writings seriously would look at other people like cattle). This is not a religious issue. Sure, people may use religion as an excuse for abuse and religion may make it easier or harder for abuse to occur, but the abuse still occurs with people. People make the religion, not the reverse. Religion influences the people. Look at the the islam in lebanon and indonesia for example, and look at it in saudi arabia, and you will see similarities and many differences between each. The same with christianity. Not everybody takes every verse of their writings seriously and not everybody joins a religion for religious purposes, as odd as it may seem. Some join it just to socialize. <BR/>I guess you think black people are more prone to commit physical acts of crime by the same type of "crime and ethics" via association. There is injustice in this ethnic or religious group therefore that ethnic or religious group must be at fault.<BR/>Why don't you associate the injustices with some other variable - like God for example, or humans, or semetic genes, or men in general. That seems just about as logical as associating it with Islam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com